Hi Ryan, > I hoped that it stopped a long time ago; this thread it just going in > circles, as I said. Person A comes in and complains GNOME is unusable, > Person B that may or may not represent GNOME (as I don't, to be honest) > comes in and says suggestions and clarifies the design, and then Person A > says, in general, "no, the desktop should be like X", and then Person B > (and/or C, another person trying to help) asks why and says that the current > setup should work fine, and it keeps going on and on like that.
yup, pretty much. I wasn't going in circles, just pointing out some observations. I didn't bother being like "Gnome-Shell should have this feature or that one" - mostly i was stating that in a few ways, gnome-shell is designed for a particular user in mind (so far), and maybe isn't the best "desktop environment" for many users who clearly fallout of this scope. I wasn't really making suggestions so much, or trying to start a fight - but to get to my point, i first needed to make some examples. In doing so, I was also trying to point out to Tim, that he can run G3 without gnome-shell. it's totally doable. for those who feel the shell isn't ready, or for whom it's just not the right environment... I was also trying to show there are many ways to efficiently use a gnome desktop. Hopefully, GS will incorporate being just as customizable with any interface - not just keyboards... > Anyways, to clarify "the user's fault" thing (I did not mean to sound rude): > lets say you had someone who asked a major car manufacturer why their cars > didn't have pedals like a bike. They say, "This is a completely different > design; it was designed so you do not need pedals to move forward". The user > of the vehicle doesn't try to get used to the whole accelerator/brake combo > found in cars today, and complains about how their vehicles are "unusable" > and "restricting" by only allowing this setup. Likewise, I find that the > window list is completely unnecessary; if you still use the mouse a lot, you > can just flick your mouse to the corner and click the window you wish. lol.... you're going in circles... and AFAIK stylus' are extremely hard to use in corners! I had given very clear examples, as to why using the keyboard for every task/shortcut isn't good for certain types of users/applications. using a hotkeys is old news - not some "new design/model/feature" that takes adjustment. Your example again, is not good - you're using the repetitive "doesn't try to get used it/give it a chance routine". and that is certainly going around in circles..... AFAIK lots of people have given gnome-shell plenty of time. - so, saying the user doesn't try to get used to it, is just as rude and insulting, as saying it's the user's fault. I do agree with you though, that a window list is sort of unnecessary in gnome-shell. but then again, i don't use a panel and use a single dock on my desktop, so it's a moot point for me, really :) > That said, as Jason mentioned, I do not represent GNOME. I just really want > this thread to die because we get these same threads so often that go around > in circles about the same issues that were discussed at length a long time > ago (and many times recently as well). I think part of the problem here Ryan, is that it almost really doesn't matter that some of these issues were discussed and resolved a long time ago ~ the reason being - right now gnome 3 is being tested by the majority, not a year ago, or even six months ago. If gnome 3 is to be successful - it is important to consider the masses, not just the "100's that worked on Gnome-Shell. Because naturally, a few hundred people or even 1000 - are not going to notice what a million users would, albeit if much of it is noise ~ you can also bet lots is quite valid - and like i said before - there have been many valid concerns, ignored and treated as noise... i would argue that some of the reason these conversations/issues keep coming up - is because they are valid (not all, or even the vast majority - but many are valid). anyways, Ryan - i am not trying to start some war, you have a great day! :) jordan _______________________________________________ gnome-shell-list mailing list [email protected] http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
