Yes, when the sister of Antonio da Piedade Moraes (I think your mother?) worked there. She was a quiet, simple, knowledgeable, competent -- and, above all -- a very positive and helpful person. That tribe of Goans is now hard to find. After everything, I hope Selma gets the information she needs. Best, v
On Mon, 1 May, 2023, 10:13 pm Albertina Almeida, < [email protected]> wrote: > Is there anyone here who accessed the Goa Archives about 35 years or more > ago? Where it was accessible even without technology? I somehow think that > it is not just about technology, though technology certainly can help. It > is also about a regimen of corruption, which can persist even with > technology. > > For instance, at the Registrar's office, the process towards registration > of sale deeds has been digitised. One would have thought that would make it > easier. But approvals of what is uploaded can take sooooo long for some. > And the connectivity and other issues including the website being > dysfunctional, so to say, can make life hell. The whole exercise can be a > nightmare. > > So while technology can help, it may not be the panacea. There is > something more. > > Albertina > > On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 9:55 PM sandra lobo <[email protected]> wrote: > >> He/She is precious, or just a piece of a shameful state of affairs, >> particularly at Goa archives? Of course Selma being a women does not help >> the situation. For instance, if one does not hold Indian citizenship then >> has to pay seven times the price of copying documents, as if researchers >> swim in money. The present head of the Archives, Dipak M. Bandekar, >> should be confronted with being runing a historical archive in a modern >> world. My experience is that sometimes conversation works miracles (not >> always). I hope there are still good examples in Goa, as that of Central >> Library when under Carlos Fernandes direction. Without his positive >> attitude I would have never been able to perform the ample investigation of >> my PhD. Good luck, Selma >> >> >> >> Sandra Ataíde Lobo >> >> >> https://giepcip.wordpress.com/ >> >> tmn. ++351 930690459 >> >> ------------------------------ >> *De:* [email protected] < >> [email protected]> em nome de John de Figueiredo < >> [email protected]> >> *Enviado:* 1 de maio de 2023 16:43 >> *Para:* [email protected] < >> [email protected]> >> *Assunto:* Re: [GRN] Update about Goa Archives >> >> Dear Selma, >> Please get the name and contact information of the person who helped you. >> He/she is precious. >> Best wishes, >> John >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On May 1, 2023, at 2:25 AM, 'Carvalho' via Goa-Research-Net < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> Dear all, >> >> Thank you for the numerous helpful response regarding Goa Archives. I did >> indeed visit the Goa Archives. I arrived at 10am and sat patiently for an >> hour. Eventually someone recognised me as the writer and hastened my entry >> into the archive hall. This office defied any semblance of modernity and >> had an estranged relationship with technology. By some antediluvian method, >> I ordered a documented assisted by person who recognised me. I then took a >> seat and awaited said document. I sat in a hall full of men who pored over >> centuries-old documents with their arms spread on these books, brandishing >> felt pens, the documents spine straddled without support. After I saw this, >> I felt nausea creeping up and tried to avoid eye contact with anyone, most >> of all the clerks in the room. >> >> I sat for another one hour and could see all the peons chatting but no >> document had arrived. I went to the head clerk and asked about the possible >> arrival of my book. He nodded to a peon, they laughed, and one frail >> creature departed on his search with all the enthusiasm of a man being led >> to the guillotine. Finally he returned clutching the holy grail of a book >> but when I took custody, it was the wrong book. I went to tell the manager >> who sat in a class cabin with the surly look of a government officer, >> pressing a buzzer to summon people. He dismissed by not looking up. I did >> not wait for the right document because had it arrived, I could neither >> photograph it nor photocopy it. I would have to make an application for the >> record and collect it 15 days later. So I left. >> >> Every department, institution and organisation of governance in Goa (and >> unfortunately I have had to visit many) is a failure of efficiency, >> procedure, custody and care. We are light years away from any semblance of >> modernity and our sense of Goan exceptionalism is utterly misplaced. >> >> The story does have a happy ending. 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