On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 1:17 AM, Stevan Harnad <[email protected]>wrote:
> Sorry, part of my reply was about VCs below, not chemists! My reply about > chemists should have been this: > > It is not chemists that oppose self-archiving, > it's their publishers! (I've long predicted that as publishers go green, the last one out and shutting the door behind them will be the American Chemical Society!) > > But don't despair, Peter, the other disciplines are leading the way, and, > as you will see if you look and count, chemists (even senior ones!) are > already self-archiving, > Show me the chemists and show me the numbers and percentages of papers self-archived. Without data I don't take qualitative statements seriously. Show me ten universities where 50% of the full-text of chemistry papers including ACS and RSC are publicly archived at time of publication in an official site or process. Then I will acknowledge that this has merit. Otherwise you are uttering political statements not facts. especially when their institutions or funders have effective Green OA > mandates, like U. Liege's and FNRS's, with ID/OA and the Button to moot any > say that their publishers have in the matter... > What is the percentage of full-text ACS papers pubished by Liege which are visible at time of publication? > > See: > http://blogs.nature.com/news/files/openaccessplos.jpg > and > http://openaccess.eprints.org/uploads/GreenGold11.png > > Stevan Harnad > > On 2012-07-12, at 6:11 PM, Stevan Harnad wrote: > > On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 2:13 PM, Peter Murray-Rust <[email protected]>wrote: > > > There is no way in my or your liftetime that senior chemists will >> self-archive. And that goes for many other disciplines. What are the VCs >> going to do? Sack them ? they bring in grant money? >> > > No: draw their attention to the financial benefits, as Alma Swan & John > Houghton have been doing, for Green and Gold OA: > > http://ie-repository.jisc.ac.uk/610/2/Modelling_Gold_Open_Access_for_institutions_-_final_draft3.pdf > > > > _______________________________________________ > GOAL mailing list > [email protected] > http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal > > -- Peter Murray-Rust Reader in Molecular Informatics Unilever Centre, Dep. Of Chemistry University of Cambridge CB2 1EW, UK +44-1223-763069
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