On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 10:25 AM, Kiley, Robert <[email protected]>wrote:
> Peter**** > > ** ** > > I’m not sure I fully understand your question: “Can you confirm that there > are no green full text manuscripts in PMC?”. > This is difficult to answer as "Green" is poorly defined (as is almost everything in "Open Access"). It means "self-archived" > **** > > ** ** > > In my understanding the example > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3253247 is a green, full-text > manuscript.**** > > ** > I think you are correct and I am probably wrong. But my understanding is that this was archived in PMC as part of the NIH funding process and not "self-archived" as part of the mandate. Indeed I believe that Elsevier may even prepare manuscripts for "author-side" deposition in PMC. But I am unclear of the details. This type of archiving is probably limited to NIH, maybe Wellcome and and few other funders. It's not suported AFAIK by universities. ** > > However, if green in your definition means that it must have zero month > embargo, then I suspect there won’t be any ACS-published, author > manuscripts in PMC that meet this criteria.**** > > ** ** > > I thought “green” was used to simply indicate that the version you are > looking at was the author’s version of the manuscript (after peer review). > In contrast “gold” means (in my mind) the final published version (the > version of record). Obviously, if we pay a fee for a gold article then we > can demand (and we do) certain things, such as it must be available at the > time of publication and it must be licenced using CC-BY. > I think your definition is probably correct. In which case I suspect that there are number in PMC. I, for one, would find it useful to have clear definitions. There is clearly a world of difference between NIH-funded manuscripts and hidden manuscripts in University repos. Calling them both "Green" doesn't help. And the fact that I find this difficult should be taken as an indication of the obscurity of the process, not my stupidity. ===================== My original fairytale post was intended to suggest that we challeng the system. You in Wellcome are doing that as far as you can. Universities are not - they give in to publishers. But I have created enough confusion. -- Peter Murray-Rust Reader in Molecular Informatics Unilever Centre, Dep. Of Chemistry University of Cambridge CB2 1EW, UK +44-1223-763069
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