Peter

Just done a quick search on PMC. There are 1059 full text articles in this 
repository which were published by the ACS. These are also all OA -- in the 
sense they can all be freely accessed and reused for non commercial use.

And, as you are aware, from early 2013 Wellcome will be requiring that when we 
fund an APC that article must be published under the CC-BY licence.

Best regards

Robert Kiley
Head Digital Services,
Wellcome Library
Tel: 0207 611 8338
Email: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>

On 13 Jul 2012, at 08:11, "Peter Murray-Rust" 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:



On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 1:17 AM, Stevan Harnad 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Sorry, part of my reply was about VCs below, not chemists! My reply about 
chemists should have been this:

It is not chemists that oppose self-archiving,
it's their publishers! (I've long predicted that as publishers go green, the 
last one out and shutting the door behind them will be the American Chemical 
Society!)

But don't despair, Peter, the other disciplines are leading the way, and, as 
you will see if you look and count, chemists (even senior ones!) are already 
self-archiving,

Show me the chemists and show me the numbers and percentages of papers 
self-archived. Without data I don't take qualitative statements seriously. Show 
me ten universities where 50% of the full-text of chemistry papers including 
ACS and RSC are publicly archived at time of publication in an official site or 
process. Then I will acknowledge that this has merit. Otherwise you are 
uttering political statements not facts.

especially when their institutions or funders have effective Green OA mandates, 
like U. Liege's and FNRS's, with ID/OA and the Button to moot any say that 
their publishers have in the matter...

What is the percentage of full-text ACS papers pubished by Liege which are 
visible at time of publication?


See:
http://blogs.nature.com/news/files/openaccessplos.jpg
and
http://openaccess.eprints.org/uploads/GreenGold11.png

Stevan Harnad

On 2012-07-12, at 6:11 PM, Stevan Harnad wrote:

On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 2:13 PM, Peter Murray-Rust 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

There is no way in my or your liftetime that senior chemists will self-archive. 
And that goes for many other disciplines. What are the VCs going to do? Sack 
them ? they bring in grant money?

No: draw their attention to the financial benefits, as Alma Swan & John 
Houghton have been doing, for Green and Gold OA:
http://ie-repository.jisc.ac.uk/610/2/Modelling_Gold_Open_Access_for_institutions_-_final_draft3.pdf


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