So you know 27,995 which are working without any private publisher in the loop and no author/reader fee. Laurent
Le 9 août 2012 à 11:55, Jan Velterop a écrit : > It's a start. 27,995 or so to go. > > Jan > > On 9 Aug 2012, at 11:43, Laurent Romary wrote: > >> Thanks. Are these all managed on their own? >> Laurent >> >> Le 9 août 2012 à 11:42, Bo-Christer Björk a écrit : >> >>> Good idea, >>> >>> Here are four such journals, all of which have been there since the 1990s: >>> >>> Information Research >>> >>> Journal of Information Technology in Construction >>> >>> Journal of Electronic Publishing >>> >>> First Monday >>> >>> best regards >>> >>> Bo-Christer Björk >>> >>> Journal of On 8/9/12 11:35 AM, Laurent Romary wrote: >>>> Dear all, >>>> As an echo to the fourth option mentioned by Peter, I would like to gather >>>> references to journals and initiatives which are notoriously community >>>> based. Could members of the list point to what they would be aware of? >>>> Thanks in advance, >>>> Laurent >>>> >>>> Le 7 août 2012 à 16:11, Peter Murray-Rust a écrit : >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 11:27 AM, Sally Morris >>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> We should not delude ourselves; journals can only be 'free' if someone >>>>> pays >>>>> the costs. >>>>> >>>>> All the work involved in creating and running a journal has to be paid for >>>>> somehow - they don't magically go away if a journal is e-only (in fact, >>>>> there are some new costs, even though some of the old ones disappear). >>>>> >>>>> I can only see three options for who pays: reader-side (e.g. the >>>>> library); >>>>> author-side (e.g. publication fees); or 'fairy godmother' (e.g. sponsor). >>>>> >>>>> There is a fourth option, which works: the scholarly community manage >>>>> publication through contributed labour and resources and the net amount >>>>> of cash is near-zero. This is described in >>>>> http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/pamphlet/2012/03/06/an-efficient-journal/ >>>>> where the J. Machine Learning Research is among the highest regarded >>>>> journals in the area (top 7%) and free-to-authors and free-to-readers. >>>>> There is an enlightening debate (on this URL) between those who run the >>>>> journal and Kent Anderson of the Scholarly Kitchen who cannot believe >>>>> that people will run and work for journals for the good of the community. >>>>> >>>>> There is no law of physics that says this doesn't scale. It is simply >>>>> that most scholars would rather the taxpayer and students paid for the >>>>> administration publishing (either as author-side or reader-side) so the >>>>> scholars don't have to do the work. And they've managed ot get 10 B USD >>>>> per year. If scholars regarded publishing as part of their role, of if >>>>> they were prepared to involved the wider community (as Wikipedia has >>>>> done) we could have a much more C21 type of activity - innovative and >>>>> valuable to the whole world rather than just academia. It would cost >>>>> zero, but it would be much cheaper than any current model. >>>>> >>>>> And of course we now have a complete free map of the whole world >>>>> (openstreetmap.org) which is so much better than other alternatives that >>>>> many people and organizations are switching to it. And, for many years, >>>>> it didn't have a bank account and existed on "marginal resources" from >>>>> UCL (and probably still does). >>>>> >>>>> But most people will regard this as another fairy tale. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Peter Murray-Rust >>>>> Reader in Molecular Informatics >>>>> Unilever Centre, Dep. Of Chemistry >>>>> University of Cambridge >>>>> CB2 1EW, UK >>>>> +44-1223-763069 >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> GOAL mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal >>>> >>>> Laurent Romary >>>> INRIA & HUB-IDSL >>>> [email protected] >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> GOAL mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal >>> >> >> Laurent Romary >> INRIA & HUB-IDSL >> [email protected] >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> GOAL mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal > > _______________________________________________ > GOAL mailing list > [email protected] > http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal Laurent Romary INRIA & HUB-IDSL [email protected]
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