No, 27,995 still to be converted :-) Jan
On 9 Aug 2012, at 12:05, Laurent Romary wrote: > So you know 27,995 which are working without any private publisher in the > loop and no author/reader fee. > Laurent > > Le 9 août 2012 à 11:55, Jan Velterop a écrit : > >> It's a start. 27,995 or so to go. >> >> Jan >> >> On 9 Aug 2012, at 11:43, Laurent Romary wrote: >> >>> Thanks. Are these all managed on their own? >>> Laurent >>> >>> Le 9 août 2012 à 11:42, Bo-Christer Björk a écrit : >>> >>>> Good idea, >>>> >>>> Here are four such journals, all of which have been there since the 1990s: >>>> >>>> Information Research >>>> >>>> Journal of Information Technology in Construction >>>> >>>> Journal of Electronic Publishing >>>> >>>> First Monday >>>> >>>> best regards >>>> >>>> Bo-Christer Björk >>>> >>>> Journal of On 8/9/12 11:35 AM, Laurent Romary wrote: >>>>> Dear all, >>>>> As an echo to the fourth option mentioned by Peter, I would like to >>>>> gather references to journals and initiatives which are notoriously >>>>> community based. Could members of the list point to what they would be >>>>> aware of? >>>>> Thanks in advance, >>>>> Laurent >>>>> >>>>> Le 7 août 2012 à 16:11, Peter Murray-Rust a écrit : >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 11:27 AM, Sally Morris >>>>>> <sa...@morris-assocs.demon.co.uk> wrote: >>>>>> We should not delude ourselves; journals can only be 'free' if someone >>>>>> pays >>>>>> the costs. >>>>>> >>>>>> All the work involved in creating and running a journal has to be paid >>>>>> for >>>>>> somehow - they don't magically go away if a journal is e-only (in fact, >>>>>> there are some new costs, even though some of the old ones disappear). >>>>>> >>>>>> I can only see three options for who pays: reader-side (e.g. the >>>>>> library); >>>>>> author-side (e.g. publication fees); or 'fairy godmother' (e.g. >>>>>> sponsor). >>>>>> >>>>>> There is a fourth option, which works: the scholarly community manage >>>>>> publication through contributed labour and resources and the net amount >>>>>> of cash is near-zero. This is described in >>>>>> http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/pamphlet/2012/03/06/an-efficient-journal/ >>>>>> where the J. Machine Learning Research is among the highest regarded >>>>>> journals in the area (top 7%) and free-to-authors and free-to-readers. >>>>>> There is an enlightening debate (on this URL) between those who run the >>>>>> journal and Kent Anderson of the Scholarly Kitchen who cannot believe >>>>>> that people will run and work for journals for the good of the community. >>>>>> >>>>>> There is no law of physics that says this doesn't scale. It is simply >>>>>> that most scholars would rather the taxpayer and students paid for the >>>>>> administration publishing (either as author-side or reader-side) so the >>>>>> scholars don't have to do the work. And they've managed ot get 10 B USD >>>>>> per year. If scholars regarded publishing as part of their role, of if >>>>>> they were prepared to involved the wider community (as Wikipedia has >>>>>> done) we could have a much more C21 type of activity - innovative and >>>>>> valuable to the whole world rather than just academia. It would cost >>>>>> zero, but it would be much cheaper than any current model. >>>>>> >>>>>> And of course we now have a complete free map of the whole world >>>>>> (openstreetmap.org) which is so much better than other alternatives that >>>>>> many people and organizations are switching to it. And, for many years, >>>>>> it didn't have a bank account and existed on "marginal resources" from >>>>>> UCL (and probably still does). >>>>>> >>>>>> But most people will regard this as another fairy tale. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Peter Murray-Rust >>>>>> Reader in Molecular Informatics >>>>>> Unilever Centre, Dep. Of Chemistry >>>>>> University of Cambridge >>>>>> CB2 1EW, UK >>>>>> +44-1223-763069 >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> GOAL mailing list >>>>>> GOAL@eprints.org >>>>>> http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal >>>>> >>>>> Laurent Romary >>>>> INRIA & HUB-IDSL >>>>> laurent.rom...@inria.fr >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> GOAL mailing list >>>>> GOAL@eprints.org >>>>> http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal >>>> >>> >>> Laurent Romary >>> INRIA & HUB-IDSL >>> laurent.rom...@inria.fr >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> GOAL mailing list >>> GOAL@eprints.org >>> http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal >> >> _______________________________________________ >> GOAL mailing list >> GOAL@eprints.org >> http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal > > Laurent Romary > INRIA & HUB-IDSL > laurent.rom...@inria.fr > > >
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