Thank you very much, David. What you say about DOAJ's reactions to feedback and 
critique can also be extended to many groups, organizations and people involved 
in the promotion of OA. As for the "OA movement", if it is treated like some 
kind of homogeneous, unanimous group of advocates, I have yet to see it. Part 
of the strength of the push toward OA and, now, open science has been the 
robust tone of the debates accompanying this evolution.

Nowadays, debates tend to focus more on which kind(s) of OA/OS is to be 
desired; The goal of OA or OS appears increasingly obvious. By contrast, the 
supporters of the subscription model are found mainly among publishers, with a 
few librarians, consultants and information science specialists as 
fellow-travellers. APCs and flipping schemes are nothing more than the 
consequence of (unconsciously?) adopting the publisher standpoint and looking 
for new revenue streams, should subscriptions disappear. In this process, the 
imperatives of scholarly and scientific communication simply take second rank, 
or even disappear.

Thank you again, David.

Jean-Claude

On 2019-08-21 5:43 p.m., David Prosser wrote:
I was on the Advisory Board at the time and so my comments may be discounted.

But my feeling is that the history of the DOAJ over the past few years has been 
that it has responded positively to very robust criticism, worked closely with 
the wider community in an interactive and engaged way to address such 
criticism, and emerged stronger as a result.

Any suggestion that the DOAJ has regarded 'all feedback / critique as anti-open 
access' is, in my view, hugely wide of the mark.

David


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Subject: Re: [GOAL] DOAJ: handmaiden to despots? or, OA, let's talk

"A habit of viewing all feedback / critique as anti-open access? Can such a 
statement be convincingly demonstrated?  I strongly doubt it...

"...reacting defensively, as if every critic were an enemy ..."

Really? Every critic? Now, now...

IMHO, robust exchanges should not be confused with various forms of paranoia, 
and pointing out weaknesses in arguments is not equivalent to treating someone 
as an "enemy".

Jean-Claude Guédon

On 2019-08-21 4:18 p.m., Heather Morrison wrote:
Some further perspective on my comment "the open access movement has developed 
a habit of viewing all feedback / critique as anti-open access [emphasis added] 
and reacting defensively, as if every [emphasis added] critic were an enemy" 
reflects the history of the OA movement.




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