Marlon Menezes writes:
--- Joe "Blessed" Vaz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Marlon, first of, you do not need the Governments
decision or permission to protest thats why it is called protest --
--->
Marlon writes:
The issue is that illegal treats were made to impose their religious beliefs
on others!
~~~~~
Joes Response:
Were the people/protestors imposing their religious beliefs on others,
through illegal threats? Were you present there in Goa to witness it? Or
is this hearsay?
Marlon writes:
It is rather unfortunate that you have chosen to be on the side of the
minority extremists who threated violence to impose their intolerant views.
Joes Response:
Who are these minority extremists? What is your source and proof that I
have chosen the side of extremists (majority or minority)?
You are often in the habit of making off-hand (spurious and irrational)
statements which you cannot substantiate.
Heres what I posted on GoaNet, way back in 2000 :
< God created me a human; my parents (and I) decided that I be a Christian!
My perspective is that there is good in every religion, and thus all are to
be respected; for every human is equal in Gods sight, as we all are HIS
creations!
What good is a religious following, if we cannot respect, have compassion
and tolerance for one anothers religion? If I had a Hindu neighbor to my
right and a muslim neighbor to my left it wouldnt make a difference to me,
for as long as we all lived in harmony with mutual respect for one another.
Its religious intolerance that is the KILLER. Beware of it!
Best Wishes.
Joe Vaz>
----------------
Marlon, please think before you open your mouth. You do not even know me;
however, you take the liberty of freely labeling me an extremist? Can you
truly -- in any shape, form or manner, rationalize your irresponsible,
highly prejudiced and provocative posts?
Marlon writes:
--->
If I am so anti-catholic, why is it that I continue to support at no cost,
your goan catholic network (www.catholic-goan-network.net), despite it
containing individuals who have expressed some rather
Extremely biased views on non-catholic goanetters.
Joe Vaz:
Isnt it ridiculous that you dont even know who owns (or is founder of)
www.catholic-goan-network.net? Yet you somehow support it? Strange!
I think you need to be clear-headed Marlon, when you write. Check the facts
first, before making nonsensical allegations and spurious statements. First
of, who tells you that I own Goan Catholic Network or am the founder of it?
In that, what do you mean by YOUR goan catholic network?
Why are you telling me this? I too support a lot of things that I feel are
right, thats my business. So whats your point? What you support or dont
is purely your personal business, and why are you bringing your personal
prejudices and grouses regarding Goan Catholic Network, on Goanet forum?
If you have any gripes and grouses about supporting the Goan Catholic
Network, please take it up with the owner and not me. I have nothing to do
with what you support. This is purely your personal business.
Marlon writes:
I was also one of the few on goanet who strongly supported the right of
Christians to prostelyze in India without government restrictions. Just
Because some of the issues I raise threatens the beliefs of some
fundamentalists does not make me anti anything.All it does is that it
exposes your insecurities with respect to your narrow minded beliefs.
.......
Joes response:
What insecurities are you taking about? If I had insecurities, I would be
using your ideology of making blatant and unfounded statements like you do
above. I have nothing personal against you, but your attitude portrays the
mentality you cultivate, promote and thrive on.
Again, all I can say, you even chose to mock your own mothers beliefs on a
public forum -- how worst can it get? How can anyone expect you to
maintain a professional decorum on a public forum? Your behavior is
shocking, to say the least. I can only feel sympathy for you.
Joe wrote:
So, you agree that people are free to protest (sans the permission of
Government, or public vote or poll).
Now pray tell us, what were the causalities of the
threat/violence you alluded to in the protest above?
---> Marlon writes:
The movie was pulled out because of threats made by a goonish politician and
his local thugs - in an attempt to pander to some fringe catholic groups. If
this is your idea of democracy in action, you obviously have a serious
problem!
Joe responds:
You avoided my direct question regarding casualties. Wonder if you have an
answer to defend your specious statements.
Politicians always make threats, are you from Mars? How about the US? Do
you have anything to learn from the US politics, in terms of threats and
war? Or are you deep in the Valley, not to know whats going on in your own
backyard?
You need to learn the difference between local thugs and the general
public and the two are entirely different. Just as you need to learn the
difference between freedom of expression and freedom to abuse. You are
taking the liberty to abuse others on Goanet, thinking it is your freedom of
expression.
Is the freedom to abuse enshrined in the US Constitution? Name-calling
is banned on Goanet, (except for ex-admin Team members and ex-supporters)
;-). FYI, I do not sign my name as Joe "Blessed" Vaz as you deliberately
and maliciously wrote it in the header of this post, as well as in your
previous posts on Goanet. Again, this is a clear indication of your
insecurity. You need to resort to wit not name-calling to win an
argument.
Joe responds:
Good for you Marlon, you need to be commended For being a very thoughtful
ex-admin team member.
However, as you know even
your Goanet Admin Team members did not agree with you. Your long
explanation above regarding server quotas, lack of archival storage etc is
convoluted reasoning and an attempt to camouflage facts.
-->
Marlon wrote:
Joe, you are obviously quite clueless or a terrible liar. For one thing,
yahoogroups did have significant quotas on their mailing lists until a few
years ago. That is why much of the discussions from the mid
To late 1990s is missing - they were overwritten by newer files.
Joes response:
Marlon please
. archives dont lie, thank God for them. By your own
admission, when I questioned you, and then virtually forced an answer, you
came clean saying that it was not server problems. To quote you verbatim:
Heres your post:
Marlon Menezes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
The server/mailing list should have no problems handling a list that is
much larger. I guess it is a question of posting repititious messages that
pretty much convey the same thing. I my personal opinion, it is a question
of balance.
<
Joe adds:
Besides, wasnt Yahoo-Groups just a back-up (archival) site for Goanet
postings? Yahoo hosted and continues to host innumerable Y-Groups worldwide
for free for a reason: advertisement. Is this the same reason perhaps you
host/support other networks and advert sites on your server?
Marlon wrote:
If you are so confident about your claims, why dont you put your money where
your mouth is? How about a $1000 US wager?
----
Marlon, we know you are a Silicon Valley millionaire :) Do you think I am
interested in your $US$DOLLAR$? You think by flaunting your wealth by
placing a $1000 wager, you can scare the hell out of me, and muscle me in
accepting your illogical arguments?
Your can save your money, Marlon, least you slip down a notch or two in the
Forbes Magazine of the rich and famous. ;) Too much wealth sometimes can
make ones head spin -- perhaps you should donate your US$ to the network/s
you claim to support for free!
Marlon writes:
Next, I am suprised you would be privy to dissent (if any) within the
goanet-admin team!
Joes response:
Privy to dissent? I have my ways of investigating things. The rest of the
Admin-Team members came clear except for you.
To refresh Marlons memory, heres the relevant texts of posts:
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in the original discussion:
Now I presume that you (Marlon), Sunila, and Vivian are members on the
GoaNet Admin
team, and yet you Marlon are saying the exact opposite of what Sunila states
(see below). Can you give us a straight story?
Heres how each of you view the subject:
Sunila M [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wrote:
Hi Joe, To answer your question : yes ....I don't see why you cannot post a
greeting on goanet ?
>However, at the same time, Marlon does have a point and if every
goanetter does this we could cause technical problems :-) Cheers, Sunila
Marlon Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wrote:
[Marlon: The server/mailing list should have no problems handling a list
that is much larger.]
Joe: Good! Then this issue is NOT a (technical) problem.
Vivian [EMAIL PROTECTED] In her post wrote:
Joe Vaz wrote:
My question is simple: Do we, or do we not post e-greetings messages on
GoaNet? Not personal messages but general greetings. I hope this can be
simply answered by a Yes or No.
Yes.
Viv
======
Viviana:
Thanks for your straightforward answer: "Yes!"
For a moment, I felt as though our freedom of expression was at stake on
GoaNet. I fully understand and agree that members should restrain from
posting personal messages to the forum. However, we must allow the common
courtesy of simple greetings being exchanged by Net members, irrespective of
religions.
Best Wishes.
Joe Vaz
In a related message: Marlon Menezes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> made a final admission:
The server/mailing list should have no problems handling a list that is
much larger. I guess it is a question of posting repititious messages
..
Marlon writes:-->
The drive to restrict posts originated from Goa and not from
me in the US, so any action that I took was on behalf of the
admin team.
Joes response:
The above statement is quite a contradiction to what Marlon said in his post
below. However, at that time, internet connections were slow (and sometimes
still are) in Goa.
Marlon earlier wrote:
I think we have all been very consisent in our statements that
there is no restriction on posting greetings on goanet.
-------
Note: By saying ALL, Marlon was referring to his A-Team members.
-------
Marlon wrote:--->
Really? Please tell us what was posted, when it
Was posted by whom and approved by whom? Also can you
Give us a little more clarity on what "my interests"
means. I am always open to learning something new!
Marlon
....
Joe responds:
Check it out yourself, Marlon! There were a few congratulatory messages
posted by Goanetters among these were messages on your wedding. I,
however, wish you well. The others were congratulatory posts felicitating
your organization (at least one of these congratulatory messages was from
me,) to which I most certainly take no objection, -- and were posted in or
around the same time you raised objections regarding the two Dussehra
greetings posting.
Joe Vaz
PS: I reserve the right not to respond to nonsensical posts.
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