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http://bmxgoa.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Gilbert Lawrence writes: >Thanks for your response to my post. I am glad you kept it logical and >short. Hope we can maintain it that way. Sunith responds: First of all, you have not answered the very specific question I posed and instead responded with a long completely illogical sermon. So lets in the future keep it "logical and short". Let me repeat that question. Do you accept that some people need religion/written moral codes to guide them but others don't? or is it your contention that for society to progress everyone has to follow a God/written code? If not.. please list your reasons.( A Yes or No answer to a specific question) >Gilbert Lawrence writes: >That in part may be difficult to research from Panaji. You may not have >access to western data (or be exposed to it) unless you are well conversant >with US or >UK or EU statistics. Yet you could do it with the help of >Santosh and Elisabeth. You live in Panaji-Goa, which may be in transition >from old to new society. So >you may or may not have a glimpse of the >issues. >BTW, is Taliban rule representative of modern or old society or neither? >Was Taliban rule even a society - Muslim or Afghan society? >So before you digress (old Goanet trick), why don?t you check the data for >the parameters that I outlined. Then compare those end-points for a modern >and traditional- Goan Muslim, Hindu and Catholic societies? Sunith responds: All us goans living in Goa( especially Panjim, Goa) are very thankful for your sympathy with regards to our lack of access to statistics and data. If you could please point out a single source of information(except for Fox News of course!!) that you, Santosh or Elisabeth have access to and I dont, I would highly appreciate it.(Very specific question deserving of an equally specific answer) If you wish to compare the parameters you mentioned only with respect to the the EU, UK and US please state so very explicitly. I'm sorry I was not aware the term society referred to Caucasian societies. Many thanks for including Goa as an after thought. My post was only to prove that the parameters you mentioned were more a less bogus as a means for evaluating any society be it American, Goan or Afghani. Once again you have failed to respond to the main issue and digressed (an old Gilbert Lawrence trick!). Gilbert Lawrence writes: Good modern society to emulate is Japanese and rural US society. Sunith responds: W.r.t. rural US society do you mean Hill Billies, Hamish, Mormons, Quakers, the Una-bomber and anarchists, the Ku-Klux klan, rural Alabama?? Please be specific. By Japanese do you mean the society that started WWII in Asia and later became famous for eating the internal organs of Allied soldiers in their prison camps?? Please please be more specific in the future. Gilbert Lawrence writes: The parameters you outline (2, 4, 5) like wars, "self determined democratic political systems" is a reflection of the government rather than the society governed. So I hope we can talk the same semantics referenced to the same subject group. Sunith responds: Is it your contention that governments and societies are mutually exclusive or that they share a very high degree of correlation?? Are the terms democratic, secular and racist used to describe governments, societies or both(Another very specific question). I have heard of the terms "democratic/secular/racist" being used to describe societies (all the while being stuck in poor ignorant Panjim, Goa), have you?? Are wars a clash between societies or governments?? Your second statement makes no sense because the frame of reference you use is bogus as a means for evaluating society(I hate to repeat myself!!). Please use your parameterss to compare Europe in the dark ages and Europe today.. Please use the same parameters to compare the USA(in the slave labour years) and the USA of today. Please use the same parameters to compare the R.S.A society pre and post apartheid You will find that most of the RATES have increased, so by your logic US society was better off with slavery, the South Africans with Apartheid and European society was better off believing the earth was flat(among many other things). Today's society is spinning out of control did someone say? If yours were the views of the majority I would definitely agree. Regards, Sunith Velho Panjim-Goa P.S. I'm moving to Kings College, London in September to do my masters. I will then sign off London, UK instead of Panjim, Goa. Bad news buddy!!!! One of the pillars of your whole ill structured argument will collapse. P.P.S. I am continuing this discussion based on my belief that you can provide specific answers to specific questions, if not this is my last post on this thread. P.P.P.S. Sorry to use the word "specific" so many times! But I hope you get the idea! _______________________________________________ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org