Not hypothetical at all. People using GAE in China have been fighting for their rights almost since day 1 of GAE, first yourdomain.com is blocked, now appspot.com has fallen...
Will On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 6:36 AM, nickmilon <[email protected]> wrote: > It seems the question is not hypothetical any more and a new > government request is coming soon: > > "The Tunisian government, known for its restriction on freedom of > expression, rapidly blocked the access to Tunileaks. They first > blocked http://tunileaks.appspot.com/ ( without the https). One day > later, they blocked Google App Engine’s IP address (209.85.229.141) in > order to block Tunileaks under https, making appspot.com partially > unavailable in the country . > ( > http://elitestv.com/pub/2010/12/tunisia-censorship-continues-as-wikileaks-cables-make-the-rounds > ) > > > > On Dec 6, 10:10 pm, "Ikai Lan (Google)" > <[email protected]<ikai.l%[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > I don't have anything to add to this discussion except that we're > > always thinking of our users first. We recently published something > > called the "Transparency Report" which shows which governments ask us > > to take things down: > > > > http://www.google.com/transparencyreport/governmentrequests > > > > -- > > Ikai Lan > > Developer Programs Engineer, Google App Engine > > Blogger: http://googleappengine.blogspot.com > > Reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/appengine > > Twitter: http://twitter.com/app_engine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 6:30 AM, Jeff Schwartz <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Freedom of speech is always a worthwhile subject and its defense is the > > > ethical and moral obligation of every freedom loving individual but > perhaps > > > this is best discussed in a dedicated blog on the subject. > > > > > On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 9:11 AM, nickmilon <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >> Philip +1 > > >> Still I am not sure that G would surrender so easily as Amazon did, > > >> there is a precedence: G vs Lieberman story: > > > > >>http://googlepublicpolicy.blogspot.com/2008/05/dialogue-with-sen-lieb. > .. > > >> when G stood to its values. > > > > >> By the way ... > > >>http://wikileaks.org/support.html doesn't work for me > > > > >>http://213.251.145.96/support.html is working (for the time been) > > > > >> On Dec 4, 3:15 pm, Philip <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > It's sad that Amazon does not support customers that exercise the > > >> > right of free speech. But I'd also assume that Google would not > stand > > >> > up against the us government for offending the first amendment. :-( > > > > >> > However, I will still donate to Wikileaks and I would suggest anyone > > >> > else to do the same:http://wikileaks.org/support.html > > > > >> > "Our liberty depends on the freedom of the press, and that cannot be > > >> > limited without being lost." > > >> > Thomas Jefferson > > > > >> > "If the freedom of speech is taken away then dumb and silent we may > be > > >> > led, like sheep to the slaughter." > > >> > George Washington > > > > >> > On Dec 4, 1:34 am, supercobra <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >> > > Amazon and Google have been long-time partisans of freedom of > speech. > > > > >> > > However in this case, the pressure coming from the government must > be > > >> > > incredible. Amazon is not the only victim of these intimidations. > US > > >> > > government employees have been forbidden to visit Wikileaks sites > and > > >> > > to discuss these matters on Facebook. At least one US university > has > > >> > > been 'persuaded' to ask their students not to reference any > Wikileaks > > >> > > documents in their research papers... (how is that for doing > thorough > > >> > > research!). > > > > >> > > Even crounties bend under US pressure. We have seen it to be the > case > > >> > > with Spain & Germany which dropped their lawsuits, investigations > and > > >> > > enforcement of arrest warrants for torture and kidnappings > > >> > > (renditions) after the US pressured them (source Wikileaks > cables). > > > > >> > > So I would assume that Google or any organization would probably > > >> > > comply as well. > > > > >> > > To ensure free speech can not be prevented by taking down web > sites, > > >> > > we need to create a totally distributed website hosting technology > > >> > > based on BitTorrent or something similar. > > > > >> > > Happy coding. ;-) > > > > >> > > Daniel Guermeur > > > > >> > > -- [email protected] > > > > >> > > Co-author of App Engine Java and GWT Development: > http://bit.ly/hdTHyB > > >> > > Blog:http://supercobrablogger.blogspot.com/ > > > > >> > > On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 5:18 PM, nickmilon <[email protected]> > wrote: > > >> > > > There is a lot of talk and flame wars going on "AWS vs GAE" > topic, > > >> > > > up > > >> > > > to now all this talk was concentrated on technical and economic > > >> > > > issues. > > >> > > > News of Amazon throwing away the WikiLeaks website has raised > new > > >> > > > arguments on the cloud battlefront. > > >> > > > So I want to raise here the hypothetical question what would be > the > > >> > > > fate of WikiLeaks if it was hosted on App Engine ? > > >> > > > (For obvious reasons I do not expect a definite yes/no answer > from > > >> > > > Google's team, but may be I am wrong) > > > > >> > > > Happy coding:-) > > > > >> > > > Nick > > > > >> > > > -- > > >> > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the > Google > > >> > > > Groups "Google App Engine" group. > > >> > > > To post to this group, send email to > > >> > > > [email protected]. > > >> > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > >> > > > [email protected]<google-appengine%[email protected]> > . > > >> > > > For more options, visit this group > > >> > > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. > > > > >> -- > > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > > >> "Google App Engine" group. > > >> To post to this group, send email to > [email protected]. > > >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > >> [email protected]<google-appengine%[email protected]> > . > > >> For more options, visit this group at > > >>http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. > > > > > -- > > > Jeff Schwartz > > > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > > > "Google App Engine" group. > > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > . > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > [email protected]<google-appengine%[email protected]> > . > > > For more options, visit this group at > > >http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Google App Engine" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]<google-appengine%[email protected]> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. 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