Hi Stephen,

Unfortunately, you did it wrong. Please refer to the
doc<https://developers.google.com/appengine/docs/adminconsole/migration?hl=en>and
migrate with our migration tool.

Re: refund
I don't think we can refund for it, sorry.

-- Takashi


On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 10:18 PM, Stephen Blum <[email protected]>wrote:

> Hi Takashi,
>
>
> <https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-6hxKP1JDfeU/UOUifTEC7KI/AAAAAAAAAYE/KFldMXpMZ1g/s1600/Screen+Shot+2013-01-02+at+10.16.01+PM.png>
> Thank you again for the fast response and direct details.  You are being
> very helpful.  There are Datastore buttons and controls which we are using
> in the *GAE Dashboard* under *Datastore Admin* section.  Are we to
> understand that those are not honored with the Migration Path?  If this is
> the case it was a massive mistake that we made: May ask for a refund?  We
> are using these buttons (as shown in the screenshot).
>
>
> On Wednesday, January 2, 2013 10:05:38 PM UTC-8, Takashi Matsuo (Google)
> wrote:
>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 9:48 PM, Stephen Blum <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Takashi,
>>>
>>> Thank you for the details!  We are in the process of migrating now, and
>>> I expect that is cause.  However it was my understanding that the migration
>>> was a free process as per the docs.  Why is it incurring such a high
>>> charge?  Those tasks queues are old and from long ago that has not changed
>>> for about a year.  However now that we are starting the migration the
>>> billing has overblown!  It's almost at *$2,000.00* for just a few hours.
>>>
>>
>> Yes, our migration 
>> tool<https://developers.google.com/appengine/docs/adminconsole/migration?hl=en>doesn't
>>  cost you for the migration process itself. If you're using our
>> migration tool, I believe that the high usage of the datastore is caused by
>> other reasons(it is very likely the infinite retry loop I mentioned before).
>>
>> Can you tell me how you're migrating your app? If you're using any other
>> tools for the migration, it will very likely cost you for the migration
>> process itself.
>>
>> -- Takashi
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 2, 2013 9:37:16 PM UTC-8, Takashi Matsuo (Google)
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Stephen,
>>>>
>>>> All of your tasks in the 'default' task queue are retrying more than 17
>>>> times. I suspect these tasks contribute to the high usage of the datastore.
>>>>
>>>> If that's the case, maybe you can stop your 'default' queue first, and
>>>> fix the settings for your 'default' queue to prevent the infinite loop(see
>>>> the taskqueue settings 
>>>> doc[Python<https://developers.google.com/appengine/docs/python/config/queue#Configuring_Retry_Attempts_for_Failed_Tasks>
>>>> |Java<https://developers.google.com/appengine/docs/java/config/queue#Configuring_Retry_Attempts_for_Failed_Tasks>]),
>>>> and then fix the root cause, and then finally you can restart the default
>>>> queue.
>>>>
>>>> I also noticed that you're using deprecated M/S datastore, which is
>>>> very susceptible to just a small failure in a single datacenter. I strongly
>>>> recommend migrating your app to HRD.
>>>>
>>>> -- Takashi
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 9:06 PM, Stephen Blum <[email protected]>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Takashi!
>>>>>
>>>>> App ID: See Screenshot Below
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-SvGzC9LkOVc/UOURu-OdYqI/AAAAAAAAAXs/qZydTwPBjss/s1600/Screen+Shot+2013-01-02+at+9.05.47+PM.png>
>>>>> Full Usage Stats: See Screenshot Below
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-OjhWSnMFZgo/UOUR3x01BJI/AAAAAAAAAX0/yAaPAEHMGKY/s1600/Screen+Shot+2013-01-02+at+9.05.10+PM.png>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wednesday, January 2, 2013 8:47:20 PM UTC-8, Takashi Matsuo
>>>>> (Google) wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Stephen,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What is your app-id? Can you share the error message? I don't think
>>>>>> anyone can help you without knowing more.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Few things came to mind though:
>>>>>> How big is the traffic to your app now? Doesn't your app just have a
>>>>>> big spike?
>>>>>> If you're running erroneous tasks on the task queue, you can pause
>>>>>> the queue from the admin console for a band-aid purpose.
>>>>>> If you have some error-handling implementations which can lead to an
>>>>>> infinite retry loop(with or without task queue), you need to fix the
>>>>>> implementation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -- Takashi
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 8:03 PM, Stephen Blum <[email protected]>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Help! We are bing charged *$30/per minute*!  *A major datastore
>>>>>>> error. * Help!  Keeps increasing!  Help!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-7aDiJuaWEQM/UOUCx3GKmCI/AAAAAAAAAXc/DFYTgLtqSHI/s1600/Screen+Shot+2013-01-02+at+8.01.41+PM.png>
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