Hi Takashi, We tried using the *Migration Buttons* in the Datastore Admin section labeled "*Copy to Another App*" and "Delete Entities". The button labeled "Copy to Another App" is totally related and relevant to migration and the way it is described in the Migration Document. The two important notes I took from the Migration Doc were:
1. You do not incur any billing costs when you do this migration. 2. you will make your old application ID an "alias" for the new one; thus, if users browse your application at *old-name*.appspot.com, they will instead see your new application (which you might think of as * new-name*.appspot.com). That made it totally obvious what we needed to do. Basically create a new App Name. Then Copy the Data over to the new App. This is the direction we followed and yet apparently we were surprised by a $2,000.000 bill in only a few moments. Please help us fix this billing error! :-) On Wednesday, January 2, 2013 11:17:24 PM UTC-8, Takashi Matsuo (Google) wrote: > > > Hi Stephen, > > On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 10:49 PM, Stephen Blum > <[email protected]<javascript:> > > wrote: > >> Hi Takashi, >> >> Thank you for the update. How do we properly apply for errors in >> billing? Not allowing us Billing Credit for a Migration Path that is * >> Required* does not makes sense! *:-)* There must be a way to correct >> this error. Basically GAE Dashboard is currently: >> >> 1. Offering a Migration Button that will instantly charge $2,000.00 >> (why why why?) and >> >> Can you tell me which button you're talking about? > >> >> 1. Warning loudly in a big yellow *warning* banner that told us to >> Migrate Now! and it *would actually be free*. >> >> As long as you use our migration tool, the migration process itself > should be free. > > >> It is my understanding that we are suposed to migrate. Yet it isn't >> free...? No worries! We won't migrate then. * :-) * That solves that >> part... now How may we make it so we are not charged for this FAKE OUT >> migration process? Please Help! >> >> On Wednesday, January 2, 2013 10:28:01 PM UTC-8, Takashi Matsuo (Google) >> wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi Stephen, >>> >>> Unfortunately, you did it wrong. Please refer to the >>> doc<https://developers.google.com/appengine/docs/adminconsole/migration?hl=en>and >>> migrate with our migration tool. >>> >>> Re: refund >>> I don't think we can refund for it, sorry. >>> >>> -- Takashi >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 10:18 PM, Stephen Blum <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Takashi, >>>> >>>> >>>> <https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-6hxKP1JDfeU/UOUifTEC7KI/AAAAAAAAAYE/KFldMXpMZ1g/s1600/Screen+Shot+2013-01-02+at+10.16.01+PM.png> >>>> Thank you again for the fast response and direct details. You are >>>> being very helpful. There are Datastore buttons and controls which we are >>>> using in the *GAE Dashboard* under *Datastore Admin* section. Are we >>>> to understand that those are not honored with the Migration Path? If this >>>> is the case it was a massive mistake that we made: May ask for a refund? >>>> We are using these buttons (as shown in the screenshot). >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wednesday, January 2, 2013 10:05:38 PM UTC-8, Takashi Matsuo >>>> (Google) wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 9:48 PM, Stephen Blum <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Takashi, >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you for the details! We are in the process of migrating now, >>>>>> and I expect that is cause. However it was my understanding that the >>>>>> migration was a free process as per the docs. Why is it incurring such >>>>>> a >>>>>> high charge? Those tasks queues are old and from long ago that has not >>>>>> changed for about a year. However now that we are starting the >>>>>> migration >>>>>> the billing has overblown! It's almost at *$2,000.00* for just a >>>>>> few hours. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Yes, our migration >>>>> tool<https://developers.google.com/appengine/docs/adminconsole/migration?hl=en>doesn't >>>>> cost you for the migration process itself. If you're using our >>>>> migration tool, I believe that the high usage of the datastore is caused >>>>> by >>>>> other reasons(it is very likely the infinite retry loop I mentioned >>>>> before). >>>>> >>>>> Can you tell me how you're migrating your app? If you're using any >>>>> other tools for the migration, it will very likely cost you for the >>>>> migration process itself. >>>>> >>>>> -- Takashi >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wednesday, January 2, 2013 9:37:16 PM UTC-8, Takashi Matsuo >>>>>> (Google) wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Stephen, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> All of your tasks in the 'default' task queue are retrying more than >>>>>>> 17 times. I suspect these tasks contribute to the high usage of the >>>>>>> datastore. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If that's the case, maybe you can stop your 'default' queue first, >>>>>>> and fix the settings for your 'default' queue to prevent the infinite >>>>>>> loop(see the taskqueue settings >>>>>>> doc[Python<https://developers.google.com/appengine/docs/python/config/queue#Configuring_Retry_Attempts_for_Failed_Tasks> >>>>>>> |Java<https://developers.google.com/appengine/docs/java/config/queue#Configuring_Retry_Attempts_for_Failed_Tasks>]), >>>>>>> >>>>>>> and then fix the root cause, and then finally you can restart the >>>>>>> default >>>>>>> queue. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I also noticed that you're using deprecated M/S datastore, which is >>>>>>> very susceptible to just a small failure in a single datacenter. I >>>>>>> strongly >>>>>>> recommend migrating your app to HRD. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- Takashi >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 9:06 PM, Stephen Blum <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Takashi! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> App ID: See Screenshot Below >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> <https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-SvGzC9LkOVc/UOURu-OdYqI/AAAAAAAAAXs/qZydTwPBjss/s1600/Screen+Shot+2013-01-02+at+9.05.47+PM.png> >>>>>>>> Full Usage Stats: See Screenshot Below >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> <https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-OjhWSnMFZgo/UOUR3x01BJI/AAAAAAAAAX0/yAaPAEHMGKY/s1600/Screen+Shot+2013-01-02+at+9.05.10+PM.png> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wednesday, January 2, 2013 8:47:20 PM UTC-8, Takashi Matsuo >>>>>>>> (Google) wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi Stephen, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> What is your app-id? Can you share the error message? I don't >>>>>>>>> think anyone can help you without knowing more. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Few things came to mind though: >>>>>>>>> How big is the traffic to your app now? Doesn't your app just have >>>>>>>>> a big spike? >>>>>>>>> If you're running erroneous tasks on the task queue, you can pause >>>>>>>>> the queue from the admin console for a band-aid purpose. >>>>>>>>> If you have some error-handling implementations which can lead to >>>>>>>>> an infinite retry loop(with or without task queue), you need to fix >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> implementation. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- Takashi >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 8:03 PM, Stephen Blum >>>>>>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Help! We are bing charged *$30/per minute*! *A major datastore >>>>>>>>>> error. * Help! Keeps increasing! 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