> Am I looking at the wrong project?
You're looking at the right project.
But all the commits were made during a 20-day period FIVE years ago
and nothing since then. That is not a real project.
Even if it were a stable project not undergoing development
(I have some of those), there would be stuff (archives,
installers, documentation, readme, release notes) to download
but there isn't anything on the download page.
> That's our policy. I'm not sure what we'd do in this case if the owner isn't
> reachable,
Google is concealing his/her email address (it starts with "suhei"...) and
then you say that it is my fault for not contacting the owner!!!
If you will give me this person's full address, I will try to contact;
if you can't, please make the contact yourself.
> since there's real content here.
> That doesn't factor in here.
Why not? The person I contacted is a leading member of the group
that is the actual of the real content
(as specified in the project description) and he disowned it.
You are ignoring the fact that the real content of
the real project is on SourceForge and on a real university website,
not on GPH.
I'm sorry. I apologize for losing my temper,
but I feel that you're not applying your own rules fairly.
My request fully complies with these rules
and I again request that you grant it.
Moti
________________________________________
From: Augie Fackler [[email protected]]
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 10:53 PM
To: Mordechai Ben-Ari
Cc: Project Hosting on Google Code
Subject: Re: Request to use an existing project name.
(+google-code-hosting, please keep the list CC'ed)
On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 12:16 PM, Mordechai Ben-Ari
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Dear Augie,
>
> Thank you for your quick reply.
>
> Please check the log of the SVN repository: the files were uploaded in 2007
> with the notation "initial import", but _nothing_ has happened since.
I see a nontrivial number of commits here:
http://code.google.com/p/mlcs/source/list
Am I looking at the wrong project?
This looks like a project with some real code, so I'm not willing to
give you ownership of the project without you making a good faith
effort to contact the project owners. That's our policy. I'm not sure
what we'd do in this case if the owner isn't reachable, since there's
real content here.
> As I wrote in my previous message, the university that is developing the WEKA
> project uses SourceForge. When I wrote them, they have no knowledge of the
> "mlcs" project:
That doesn't factor in here.
>
>> This sounds like some third-party project that uses or used Weka at
>> some point. It has nothing to do with us, so go ahead and make the
>> request.
>
> I think that it is clear that this is a not a "real" or "live" project
> and that it meets all the criteria for deletion.
No, because there's actual content. It might be abandoned, but that
doesn't mean we should delete their content.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Moti
>
> --
> Prof. Mordechai (Moti) Ben-Ari
> Department of Science Teaching
> Weizmann Institute of Science
> http://www.weizmann.ac.il/sci-tea/benari/
> ________________________________________
> From: Augie Fackler [[email protected]]
> Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 7:48 PM
> To: Mordechai Ben-Ari
> Cc: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: Request to use an existing project name.
>
> The project on GPH has a non-empty Subversion repository. Have you
> emailed the project hosting-side owners of the project to attempt to
> reach them on this matter?
>
> On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 2:42 PM, Mordechai Ben-Ari
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> I would like to request to use the project name "mlcs".
>> I would use it to post implementations of algorithms from my book:
>> _M_athematical _L_ogic for _C_omputer _S_cience,
>> a well known textbook published by Springer:
>> http://www.springer.com/978-1-85233-319-5
>> I have just finished a new edition and
>> I would prefer that this source code be easily available and easy to share
>> through Google Code, rather than on my own website or the publisher's.
>>
>> Concerning the existing project:
>>
>> 1. How long has the project lay fallow?
>> The project was created in 2007 and has seen no activity since its creation
>> 5 years ago.
>> 2. Is there something "fishy" about the circumstances of the request?
>> Yes. The description is just "test" with a link to a real project (WEKA)
>> that actually
>> uses SourceForge, not Google Code :-).
>> 3. Is there code in that project?
>> There is code in the svn repository but there is nothing to download,
>> nothing in the Wiki, no Issues, etc.
>> 4. Is the project scheduled for deletion?
>> No.
>> 5. Is the project you wish to take over a spam trap or hosting malware or
>> simply not open source?
>> It is a real project but does not use Google Code (cf. question 2).
>> 6. Have you made an effort in good faith to contact the current owners?
>> What, if anything, did they have to say in reply?
>> An email exchange with the linked project (below) shows that they have no
>> knowledge of this project.
>> 7. Has one of the original developers died or otherwise dropped off the grid
>> in some fashion that you can describe to us?
>> There is no full email address on the project site and no one of that name
>> is listed in the website linked to.
>> 8. Have you hosted malware, spam or non-open source content on Project
>> Hosting before?
>> I have created a number of bona fide projects. some of which (e.g.
>> "jspin") have seen thousands of downloads.
>>
>> Thanks for concerning my request,
>>
>> Moti
>>
>> --
>> Prof. Mordechai (Moti) Ben-Ari
>> Department of Science Teaching
>> Weizmann Institute of Science
>> http://www.weizmann.ac.il/sci-tea/benari/
>>
>> ________________________________________
>> From: [email protected] [[email protected]] on behalf of Mark Hall
>> [[email protected]]
>> Sent: Friday, March 02, 2012 10:06 PM
>> To: Mordechai Ben-Ari
>> Subject: Re: Project name on Google Code
>>
>> Hi Moti,
>>
>> This sounds like some third-party project that uses or used Weka at
>> some point. It has nothing to do with us, so go ahead and make the
>> request.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Mark.
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 4:48 AM, Mordechai Ben-Ari
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I would like to use the name "mlcs" for a project on Google Code:
>>> programs that implement algorithms from my textbook
>>> "Mathematical Logic for Computer Science".
>>>
>>> However, the name is taken by someone named "suhei....".
>>> The project has not been active since 2007 and
>>> was apparently only used for a test.
>>> It contains a link to your WEKA project,
>>> but I see that you use SourceForge and not Google Code.
>>>
>>> I would appreciate it if you would agree to let me ask Google
>>> to use the name.
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>
>>> Moti
>>>
>>> --
>>> Prof. Mordechai (Moti) Ben-Ari
>>> Department of Science Teaching
>>> Weizmann Institute of Science
>>> http://www.weizmann.ac.il/sci-tea/benari/
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