Just some notes on the binaries as I've had issues with getting Maven to create 
identical JAR files:

Ideally, the binaries would have the same checksum, but if that isn't easy, I 
would expect that everything inside the binaries except the manifest would have 
the same checksum. 

-bp


On Oct 12, 2010, at 10:27 PM, Dhanji R. Prasanna wrote:

> OK, I had a chat with Jesse--let's go ahead and change the dir layout in the 
> maven style, given the following caveats:
> - We need to make sure the ant build still works
> - Maven should produce the same artifact as Ant (with jarjar'ed internals). I 
> don't think it serves us to have divergent binaries.
> - We should not need to make any source code changes in Guice.
> 
> Dhanji.
> 
> On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 3:24 PM, Jason van Zyl <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> On Oct 12, 2010, at 10:46 PM, Dhanji R. Prasanna wrote:
> 
>> Haha, that's very kind.
>> 
>> I am not arguing against this change per se. In fact, I do want to support 
>> maven for everyone who uses it. However, changing the dir layout is a bit 
>> more drastic than my original suggestion, so I would have to get consensus 
>> from the entire Guice team (Bob, Jesse, Fred, et al, even though Sam and 
>> Stuart are on board), and our priorities may be slightly different--we want 
>> to make it easy for both Google-internal and external contributors, we do 
>> not have any resources other than Java files, etc., so we have to balance 
>> these pressures =)
>> 
> 
> And I have zero interest in making anyone use Maven if they don't want to. 
> But if you don't want to take the POMs as we submitted them, then don't use 
> them. Stuart and I can do a better job at supporting Maven users from our 
> side because the build we have we know will work in IDEs and anything else 
> Maven related because we use the build output everyday.
> 
> We'll make sure there is a build of the release in Maven Central with proper 
> javadocs and sources with POMs that work. We'll also make sure users can 
> clone Guice out of git and just build. We'll keep the repo up-to-date with a 
> automatic sync. You don't need to do any work. It's no burden for us because 
> we've been doing it for quite some time, and it's in all of our products so 
> there shouldn't be any fear about us dropping off the face of the planet.
> 
>> That having been said I'm definitely interested in keeping our maven users 
>> happy, so will aim for something works well for everyone involved.
>> 
>> Dhanji.
>> 
>> On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 9:21 AM, Andrei Pozolotin 
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Dhanji, hello;
>> 
>> just a note from a very intrested bystander:
>> 
>> you are a world-renown book author and genius of depenency injection;
>> 
>> can you please just accept Jason view on build system setup?
>> 
>> "there is no right or wrong but thinking makes it so", right?
>> 
>> delay of joy (and guice) is needless! :-)
>> 
>> thank you;
>> 
>> Andrei
>> 
>> 
>> On Oct 12, 4:56 pm, Jason van Zyl <[email protected]> wrote:
>> > On Oct 9, 2010, at 8:34 PM, Dhanji R. Prasanna wrote:
>> > > On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 3:31 AM, Mingfai <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
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