When I asked the question originally I didn't mean to cause so much contention. We started using gwt 8 months ago when the basic gwt wasn't as complete and had only 8 months to get a working app up. There were 3 developers and at the time it was difficult to understand the pros and cons of the various 3rd party libraries. We were impressed by the "shininess" and ease of getting an app up enough to be functional for our customers.
A lot has happened to gwt in the last 8 or 9 months and we have realized that we traded off getting the job done versus performance and the bugs in the 3rd party libs. We also underestimated the effort in working around various bugs and weird behavior. It is still easy to look at the "shininess" and resist using some of the other than GWT options - especially when marketing and other "suits" ask why we can't do this or that or why aren't we using MS technologies, and on and on. There still isn't a lot of shininess in the basic GWT that you don't have to build yourself. We weren't really burned by using what we did but we did learn a lesson and I was hoping just to get feedback on others experiences. It seems that this wasn't the proper place. Tom aka cloudycity On Dec 18, 5:54 am, "Arthur Kalmenson" <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Rob, > > Judging from cloudcity's response, not everyone is aware of the draw > backs of these libraries (or, as you put it, my position on them). > Ignoring an issue is not going to make it go away. I'm letting people > know what the draw backs of using these libraries are, because a lot > of people are impressed by the shininess but are unaware of the > numerous problems. Anyway, I'm not here to start a flame war, I'm just > trying to warn people before they commit all their resources to these > libraries. > > -- > Arthur Kalmenson > > On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 4:36 PM, Rob Smith <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Did anyone ask you opinion on use of third part libs in this thread. > > We know what your position is on using 3rd party libs and you have > > made it clear "numerous" times. Repeating the same thing again and > > again is just adding noise to this group. Gmail has a wonderful filter > > option and you can set yours to ignore any thread that mentions any > > lib that you don't care about :) > > > On Dec 17, 3:34 pm, "Arthur Kalmenson" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I'm hoping that a lot of those things will be added to the incubator > >> in the near future. I've mentioned the request for simpler security > >> similar to Spring Security's @Secured("ROLE_USER") annotations. Data > >> binding and validation frameworks are on their way as well, in the > >> near future. > > >> I would stay away from ExtGWT or SmartGWT though. > > >> -- > >> Arthur Kalmenson > > >> On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 9:54 AM, [email protected] > > >> <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > This does bring up a good point and something that is sourly missing. > >> > We have cobbled together some very generic type stuff patterned > >> > (albeit very low in quality) what we used extensively in Eclipse Rich > >> > Client. Maybe the ExtGWT guys or SmartGWT will come up with > >> > something. Or if the Eclipse Web Client guys would do GWT.... Or if > >> > I could find a spare moment or two, I'd take it on. The whole UI > >> > framework beyond "widgets", like editors, views, menus, actions etc. > >> > is a sweet spot to be sure that is missing from any of the web > >> > frameworks, IMHO. > > >> > On Dec 17, 6:54 am, "Arthur Kalmenson" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> There are some things in the incubator for status bars and logging. > >> >> The rest you would have to do yourself. > > >> >> -- > >> >> Arthur Kalmenson > > >> >> On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 2:17 AM, Riyaz Mansoor > >> >> <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> >> > I'm not looking for rich widget sets (Ext, Smart, etc) but rather is > >> >> > there a GWT framework that provides basics for a RIA. One that handles > >> >> > the grunt work such as providing; status bar, xml or other > >> >> > configurable menu, error logging report, authentication, security etc > > >> >> > This maybe reaching for the sky but kinda like what Eclipse or > >> >> > Netbeans provides as the core platform when developing on those > >> >> > platforms.- Hide quoted text - > > >> >> - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google Web Toolkit" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Google-Web-Toolkit?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
