FWIW - about 3 years ago we started to rewrite a suite of apps built using a collection of technologies from AWT/SWING Desktop apps, jruby/rails, jsp/jsf, gwt applications and some of the suite has been in operation since 2001 (with the build starting in 1999). We decided to go to Typescript+Mobx+React+GraphQL as the core frontend tech stack after a reasonable evaluation period but after about 12 months of development ... as we added tooling to support the scope of the projects (i.e. closure compiler and extensive build tooling) we found that the development experience still did not comparable to GWT.
Js has so many easily accessible libraries that really are where all the interesting ideas are being explored but getting them production ready was such a PITA and the development turnaround time at the size we were working with was on par with equivalent gwt sized apps or worse. Small, quick prototypes are so much faster when you can lean on the js ecosystem but once you need to get development working smoothly with lots of not necessarily great frontend developers and java is so much nicer. We ended up wrapping react in java, wrote our own mobx-like library. Once we switch to GWT3/J2CL (*and have multiline strings in java!) then I can't imagine there is much in the js ecosystem that we will miss sans the variety of libraries. While the JS frameworks are slowing down, I would expect a cambrian explosion to occur when wasm comes of age which is soon I hope. The J2CL are already working towards that target so I hope we can largely piggy back on their work but keep with the same GWT/j2cl codebase we work with now for at least another 15 odd years. On Thu, Jan 21, 2021 at 3:14 AM David Nouls <[email protected]> wrote: > That is actually a good point indeed. We also have very old tech in > production including some ALGOL. > > I do have the impression that the JS Frameworks race has been slowing down > a bit. Sure there will always be some new ideas, but the big frameworks are > there for quite some. > > At least with GWT/Java it is rather easy to maintain! GWT does not change > much, sometimes that is an advantage. > On 20 Jan 2021, 16:48 +0100, [email protected] <[email protected]>, > wrote: > > IMHO that's the problem with frameworks / languages. If they are "strong > enough" they won't be gone... I don't think that TypeScript / Vue.js / > React / Angular etc. will be vanished. They will stay forever just like > COBOL and other technologies like Borland / Embarcadero Delphi Object > Pascal. My comment above was a joke, because I don't know what will happen > in 10 years. There will be another hot things. Maybe we move completely on > the native client development instead of Web browser? But who knows... > > So at the end of the day the devs need to maintain apps with the zoo of > frameworks and languages. > > Scary if you see this history of web frameworks: > https://raw.githubusercontent.com/mraible/history-of-web-frameworks-timeline/master/history-of-web-frameworks-timeline.png > > I think, it's time that the development of apps / Web apps should go > higher in the abstraction level to be technology / framework independent. > PIM (Platform Independent Model) anyone? π > > BTW.: I still have JSPs in production. Also COBOL π > > Cheers, > Lofi > [email protected] schrieb am Mittwoch, 20. Januar 2021 um 14:36:30 UTC+1: > >> Why did you bet on GWT 10 years ago and wouldn't bet on TypeScript >> nowadays? >> (fwiw, TypeScript is already 8 years old; Vue.js is 6 years old, React is >> 7) >> >> On Tuesday, January 19, 2021 at 5:26:38 PM UTC+1 [email protected] >> wrote: >> >>> @swas... >>> >>> <quote> >>> Yes, almost 10 years for me too and production application running for >>> 3 years. >>> GWT 2.6.1 + Eclipse 4.8. Tomcat8 + MySQL5.7 + Java8 + JasperReport >>> my next 10 years plan is move to TypeScript + VueJS. >>> </quote> >>> >>> After 10 years, will we still be able to see TypeScript + VueJS? π >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Lofi >>> RobW schrieb am Dienstag, 19. Januar 2021 um 15:29:42 UTC+1: >>> >>>> Our web front end is on 15 years with GWT as of this year, and we're >>>> expecting 5 more with luck. So we'll hit the 20 year mark if all goes well >>>> >>>> On Tuesday, 19 January 2021 at 10:46:44 UTC [email protected] wrote: >>>> >>>>> I wonder if that will actually last for the next 10 years. >>>>> >>>>> On Tuesday, January 19, 2021 at 10:04:19 AM UTC+2 [email protected] >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Yes, almost 10 years for me too and production application running >>>>>> for 3 years. >>>>>> GWT 2.6.1 + Eclipse 4.8. Tomcat8 + MySQL5.7 + Java8 + JasperReport >>>>>> my next 10 years plan is move to TypeScript + VueJS. >>>>>> On Monday, 4 January 2021 at 23:37:53 UTC+7 Alexander Bertram wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Nice to hear from everyone! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Here's to the next ten years :-) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Best wishes for 2021, >>>>>>> Alex >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tuesday, December 22, 2020 at 10:22:08 AM UTC+1 Segun Razaq >>>>>>> Sobulo wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I've been using GWT for 7+ years (with appengine java backends) and >>>>>>>> actively looking for a job. I'll push my resume. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>> On Monday, 21 December 2020 at 15:24:19 UTC+1 [email protected] >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> We are in times where working remotly id actually a good option. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Monday, December 21, 2020 at 4:19:13 PM UTC+2 David Nouls wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Alex, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Same story here. I have been working with GWT since it first came >>>>>>>>>> out. For our current project we again opted for GWT because we share >>>>>>>>>> a lot >>>>>>>>>> of code between client and server and productivity is high. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Iβm not available at the moment (maybe end of next year)β¦ but >>>>>>>>>> living in Belgium/Leuven I donβt think that is doable. Relocation is >>>>>>>>>> not an >>>>>>>>>> option. Good luck finding people, there are not a lot on the market. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Groeten, >>>>>>>>>> David >>>>>>>>>> On 20 Dec 2020, 16:16 +0100, 'Alexander Bertram' via GWT Users < >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]>, wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I hope this email isn't too off-topic, but I wanted to share an >>>>>>>>>> opening for a job on our team with a large GWT component. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> https://jobs.bedatadriven.com/software-engineer >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The first version of our product, ActivityInfo, a data collection >>>>>>>>>> and analysis platform for humanitarian relief, was built with GWT, >>>>>>>>>> GXT and >>>>>>>>>> Google Gears in 2009 and seriously would not have been possible >>>>>>>>>> without >>>>>>>>>> GWT. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> In 2018, nearly 10 years later, we looked at the amazing js >>>>>>>>>> ecosystem and considered moving to Typescript or Elm. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Instead, we decided to keep the bits that we loved about GWT: the >>>>>>>>>> typesafety, code-reuse with the server, i18n, code splitting, >>>>>>>>>> linkers, and >>>>>>>>>> the amazing compiler, and add SCSS for styles and our own port of >>>>>>>>>> Preact + >>>>>>>>>> rxJava-like reactivity for dom manipulation using Elemental2. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Three years after the start of ActivityInfo 4.0 we couldn't be >>>>>>>>>> happier with the choice, and are more productive than ever. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> If you're an experienced GWT developer that would enjoy the >>>>>>>>>> challenge of a working on a modern GWT codebase, I hope you'll >>>>>>>>>> consider >>>>>>>>>> joining our team! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>>>> Alex >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "GWT Users" group. >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/google-web-toolkit/46240bd9-f716-4448-a481-acfc87229f8fn%40googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/google-web-toolkit/46240bd9-f716-4448-a481-acfc87229f8fn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "GWT Users" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/google-web-toolkit/2c7b6eec-67cd-4361-8777-18490db3dba7n%40googlegroups.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/google-web-toolkit/2c7b6eec-67cd-4361-8777-18490db3dba7n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "GWT Users" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/google-web-toolkit/25324b20-e0d8-4a7b-a292-9782066fdf1b%40Spark > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/google-web-toolkit/25324b20-e0d8-4a7b-a292-9782066fdf1b%40Spark?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- Cheers, Peter Donald -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "GWT Users" group. 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