This incident is NOT about privacy and date collection at all. This is about traffic credit. Do not want to dive too much into the details and complexities due to all the parties involved, but one more significant problem worth pointing out is that some of the big affiliates owners in China who are supposed to pay for traffic (because that is what affiliates are for) are actively trying to avoid paying people (including us). Sometimes one is forced to work with one of "their" third-parties. Other times it is cat and mouse game. Basically, unless you are here and know what's going on, it is very hard to armchair general about how to deal with it. (However, I want to note that this incident itself is not a general "grab all traffic" thing; it was aimed at a particular affiliate for a particular situation at a particular time. Again, that slipped thru, got noted later, and amended.)
Coming back to the privacy policy, we have the same privacy policy as other parts of Mozilla. Whether one can enforce such policies in China, it is anyone's guess. For example, if you want to have the same level of guarantees at Baidu as what you may have at Google, then you cannot work with Baidu, because they just do not provide that sort of guarantees (whether they intentionally want to avoid that responsibility or they simply do not see reason to even discuss it, hard to figure out why -- like, in certain countries people do not eat dog meat and in places people do -- but Baidu does not have to). But even with Google providing guarantees on paper, there could be untold number of Snowdens out there waiting to tell their stories. Li -- Li Gong (宫力), PhD Senior VP of Mobile Devices & President of Asia Operations & CEO of Mozilla China/Taiwan Mozilla Corporation On Dec 4, 2013, at 7:56 PM, Rubén Martín <[email protected]> wrote: > 2013/12/4 Irvin <[email protected]> > >> Another different to our search engine agreement is that, when you search >> Google/Yahoo through Firefox’s search box, it’s Google/Yahoo who paid >> Mozilla for this behavior. But in this case, it’s 3-rd party affiliate >> company paid to Mozilla, for we redirect user through their service. >> >> (imaging if Bing company paid Mozilla for redirect every user’s >> Google/Yahoo search through their service. The user maybe will not noticed >> because redirect happened quickly, but Bing will know when and what user is >> looking.) >> >> Is it look like we're encourage 3-rd party ad companies to paid us for let >> them tracking our user? >> > > Uhm, that sounds bad, *really* bad. > > What chanet.com.cn does with the data, which kind of data is collected? > What's the aggregated value this redirect offers to the users? How does a > redirect generates revenue? Do they add ads? > > For example, we use tracking links on the newsletter emails, but I assume > it's for analytics purposes and for users that accepted the newsletter > privacy policy. In this case, the tracking is added to a manually added > bookmark sending data to a third party. > > Does the China version have a different privacy policy than regular > Firefox? Are they informed about it before downloading? Are we cool with > this? > > All this sounds very un-mozilla. > > Regards. > -- > Rubén Martín (Nukeador) > Mozilla Reps Mentor > http://mozilla-hispano.org > http://twitter.com/mozilla_hispano > http://facebook.com/mozillahispano > _______________________________________________ > governance mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/governance _______________________________________________ governance mailing list [email protected] https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/governance
