On Monday, August 4, 2014 6:47:19 AM UTC-7, Gijs Kruitbosch wrote:
> On 22/07/2014 11:22, Gijs Kruitbosch wrote:
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> > On 19/07/2014 00:33, Alina Hua wrote:
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> >> REAL CHOICES (removed)
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> >> Previous: Educate users whenever we collect any personal information
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> >> and give them a choice whenever possible.
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> >> Context: Eliminated based on feedback that the difference between
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> >> choice and control wasn't clear, and that the conversation has moved
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> >> to control, rather than choice.
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> >
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> > <snip>
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> >
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> >> USER CONTROL
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> >> Previous: Do not disclose personal user experience without the user's
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> >> consent. Innovate, develop and advocate for privacy enhancements that
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> >> put users in control of their online experiences.
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> >> New: Establish enhancements that allow individuals to control their
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> >> data and online experiences
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> >> Context: Removed the sentence about consent, because it is more of an
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> >> example of enabling control. Removed "advocate for" to simplify and to
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> >> focus on direct engineering action. Added 'control their data'.
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> >
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> > These two changes together make it seem like we're removing guarantees
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> > about not disclosing user data without consent. I guess that's not the
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> > aim of these changes, but removing statements along the lines of "we
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> > won't share/disclose without consent, unless required by law" combined
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> > with the "post-Snowden" web (as called out in your original post) makes
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> > me uncomfortable.
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> >
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> > What can we still guarantee our users, and can we spell that out? The
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> > proposed language is fuzzy and has (looking with my engineering eyes) no
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> > hard requirements of any kind.
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> >
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> > ~ Gijs
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> The response here was:
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> RESPONSE: We are considering either �Develop and advocate for a Web
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> that puts users in control of their data and online experiences. � or
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> �Push for a Web that puts users in control of their data and online
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> experiences.� These are thought to incorporate choice and education
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> (from the �Real Choices� principle that was removed� [)] while
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> indicating the actions we take.
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> I feel this ("we will push for a Web ...") doesn't address the removal
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> of what seems like a solid guarantee about our own products, which
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> aren't *part* of the web per se (ie I would say Firefox lets you browse
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> the web, while not itself being "part" of the web).
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> That being said, we would seem pretty hypocritical if we pushed for a
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> web that was based on user consent and didn't build our products that
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> way, so to a certain degree I guess it makes sense. However, I feel we
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> should be leading the charge here, including how we (guarantee we) deal
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> with private user data in our own products, rather than having our
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> sentiments about the web imply (rather than state) things about how our
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> own software behaves.
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> ~ Gijs
Hi Gijs,
You raise a very good point and we'd like to incorporate it. What do you think
of this wording?
USER CONTROL
Develop products and advocate for best practices that put users in control of
their data and online experiences.
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