On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 5:16 PM, Benjamin Kerensa <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 5:08 PM, Gavin Sharp <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I should perhaps clarify, though, that I don't really think there's a >> need for a project-wide policy to enforce that channels must be >> logged, and that's probably what Yvan is reacting strongly to. Most of >> the important public IRC channels are already being publicly logged, >> as mentioned, and where they aren't it's easy enough to reach out to >> the channel owner and change that. >> > > Right and my proposal is to have global policy including which channels > must be exempt due to sensitive discussions (I can think of a handful > myself) and then create a process for starting logging and opting out of > channel logging by a channel owner. > Requiring channel owners to opt out of public logging to a Mozilla resources on behalf of their users (imo) is not consistent with the published data privacy principles <https://blog.mozilla.org/privacy/2014/11/11/mozillas-data-privacy-principles-revisited/>. Not the least of which is the No Suprises - many users would be surprised to learn that after years of telling users "we don't log irc", we start logging it and publishing it. I understand that users cannot control data that may be collected and republished by individuals, but this discussion isn't about what *others* are doing with data, it's about what Mozilla is doing with data. > But having them hosted at something like irclogs.mozilla.org and > searchable versus glob hosting them all makes more sense imho. > > At the end of the day thought I imagine unless someone disabled the > default logging on the ircd that Mozilla technically already globally logs > all user communications even though in private message. Whether they > disabled it or not I am unsure and how long those logs are retained I am > unsure and who has access I am unsure. > > Default Inspircd config has all user input/output logged by default: > > https://gitorious.org/inspircd/inspircd/source/911e33e3995509afa4cf3ea8fae0ddca2dad78dc:conf/inspircd.conf.example#L706 > > It is my understanding that we retain only enough logs to satisfy operational needs, although I can inquire with operations team if you would like. _______________________________________________ governance mailing list [email protected] https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/governance
