On 01/23/2015 09:38 PM, Yvan Boily wrote:
On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 6:06 PM, Benjamin Kerensa <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 5:51 PM, Yvan Boily <[email protected]> wrote:
IRC logs *are* user data. irc.mozilla.org *is* a Mozilla service. Both
are subject to Mozilla policies.
Either way I do not think logging irc conflicts with any of those
principles especially if a policy is in place and documented.
*NO SURPRISES*
Changing to opt-out logging on a per-channel basis is a shift away from the
advertised state of logging in relation it irc.mozilla.org as published here
<https://wiki.mozilla.org/IRC>. That would be a surprise for most people.
The wiki can be updated. And in any case, I'd recommend the chat logs
be linked to in the /topic, e.g.
/topic Logged at <url>
This is what we do in the #csswg channel. It both notifies the participants
that they're being logged and also gives them a link in case they want to
refer something outside the channel.
*USER CONTROL*
Providing opt-in logging at a channel owner level would be better, as long
as the channel makes it clear by sending a notice to the user when they
join that it is publicly logged.
For the channels that have owners, then, sure, those owners should
do the logging setup for their channel. I'm not sure that #developers,
for example, has an owner, though. I would think that's why we're
discussing it here.
As for notice, I think /topic is enough.
*LIMITED DATA*
Hard to comply with this one; when we have numerous other sources of truth
for technical work (repos, wiki, mdn, mailing lists), I would argue that we
don't need to retain this data, but in the case that we do, I would think
that at the least, anonymizing it is a requirement to uphold this part. It
is notoriously hard to properly anonymize communications, especially chat
based communications where usernames could be common subjects of
discussion.
Anonymizing chat logs is silly and not helpful. If bz says something,
for example, I'm much more likely to take it seriously. So I'd want
to know if it's bz that's talking. :) Also conversations in which
bz, roc, or dholbert participate are more likely to be relevant to
me, so I'm interested to know when they're talking. Besides which
anonymizing chat logs is about as reasonable as anonymizing all the
emails sent to a mailing list.
*SENSIBLE SETTINGS*
I think that defaulting to not logging is a more sensible setting
considering the legacy of "We don't log" on the service.
I think not logging would indeed be the default, but going forward
here would mean all the major channels would get logged. So it
would not be the common case even though it's the default.
~fantaai
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