No, the scope is clearly stated with "Mozilla’s Data Privacy Principles continue to inform how we build our products and services, manage user data, and select and interact with partners – while shaping our public policy and advocacy work.", from the blog post.
IRC logs *are* user data. irc.mozilla.org *is* a Mozilla service. Both are subject to Mozilla policies. On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 5:44 PM, Benjamin Kerensa <[email protected]> wrote: > On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 5:32 PM, Yvan Boily <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 5:16 PM, Benjamin Kerensa < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 5:08 PM, Gavin Sharp <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I should perhaps clarify, though, that I don't really think there's a >>>> need for a project-wide policy to enforce that channels must be >>>> logged, and that's probably what Yvan is reacting strongly to. Most of >>>> the important public IRC channels are already being publicly logged, >>>> as mentioned, and where they aren't it's easy enough to reach out to >>>> the channel owner and change that. >>>> >>> >>> Right and my proposal is to have global policy including which channels >>> must be exempt due to sensitive discussions (I can think of a handful >>> myself) and then create a process for starting logging and opting out of >>> channel logging by a channel owner. >>> >> >> Requiring channel owners to opt out of public logging to a Mozilla >> resources on behalf of their users (imo) is not consistent with the >> published data privacy principles >> <https://blog.mozilla.org/privacy/2014/11/11/mozillas-data-privacy-principles-revisited/>. >> Not the least of which is the No Suprises - many users would be surprised >> to learn that after years of telling users "we don't log irc", we start >> logging it and publishing it. >> >> I understand that users cannot control data that may be collected and >> republished by individuals, but this discussion isn't about what *others* >> are doing with data, it's about what Mozilla is doing with data. >> > > That blog post was written within the scope of our products and end users > not our project, tools or contributors. > > >> >> >>> But having them hosted at something like irclogs.mozilla.org and >>> searchable versus glob hosting them all makes more sense imho. >>> >>> At the end of the day thought I imagine unless someone disabled the >>> default logging on the ircd that Mozilla technically already globally logs >>> all user communications even though in private message. Whether they >>> disabled it or not I am unsure and how long those logs are retained I am >>> unsure and who has access I am unsure. >>> >>> Default Inspircd config has all user input/output logged by default: >>> >>> https://gitorious.org/inspircd/inspircd/source/911e33e3995509afa4cf3ea8fae0ddca2dad78dc:conf/inspircd.conf.example#L706 >>> >>> >> It is my understanding that we retain only enough logs to satisfy >> operational needs, although I can inquire with operations team if you would >> like. >> > > > _______________________________________________ governance mailing list [email protected] https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/governance
