Oliver, Tim, David and all,

Just 3 comments:

1. I agree the hard technical work needs to be done

2. I suggest it is self evident Australian e-Health is not self-organising - 
otherwise we
would not be having this conversation.

3. I also agree with Tim about the risks of the grand plan..we need some 
organising
principles and direction and then to get on with it - Strategy Lite maybe..but 
we need
some clear sensible frameworks etc. The strategic vacuum approach has not been 
seen to
work.

Cheers

David



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On Tue, 05 Jun 2007 10:27:40 +1000, Tim Churches wrote:
> David Guest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Oliver Frank wrote:
>>> David More's blog today at:
>>>
>>>
>> http://aushealthit.blogspot.com/2007/06/ahic-survey-will-they-hear-what-t 
>> hey.html
>>>
>>>
>>> tells us:
>>>
>>> "Last week the President of the Australian College of Health Informatics 
>>> (ACHI) was
sent a survey which had been developed for the Australian Health
>>> Information Council out to ACHI members for comment.  The survey – which 
>>> was
developed by the Nous Group (www.nousgroup.com.au) -  had the following
>>> introduction and process description:
>>>
>>> “The Australian Health Information Council (AHIC)
>>>
>>> eHealth future directions stakeholder survey
>>>
>>> Purpose of survey:
>>>
>>> In its role of providing advice to inform national policy direction for 
>>> health
information to the Australian Health Minister’s Advisory Committee
>>> (AHMAC), AHIC wishes to look strategically at the development of the 
>>> national health
information program out to 2013."
>>>
>>> David's reply with twelve important points is excellent.
>>>
>>> We seem to simply keep having enquiries, committees and task forces that 
>>> are supposed
to set the e-health agenda, without very much actually happening to
>>> implement that agenda.  This enquiry sounds like
>>>
>>
>>> just another one - a way to appear as if the government is doing something 
>>> while in
fact doing little, a bit like the national broadband issue in the
>>> news today.
>>>
>> <RexMossop> Let me reiterate back to what I said before </RexMossop>, IT 
>> consultants do
what they get paid to do, consult. It sounds like AHIC is
>> fulfilling its defined role.
>>
>> Only software developers develop software. If you want software you need to 
>> pay them to
do their job. If you don't, don't.
>>
>
> Yes, I have more than a little sympathy for David Guest's view of things: one 
> can
strategise, scheme, plan, plot, have visions, workshop, consult, survey,
> evaluate, theorise, research, blog, bitch and pontificate to one's heart's 
> content, but
ultimately this health informatics stuff happens when people engage
> in boring activities like writing software code, working out code sets, 
> writing
localised user manuals, holding training sessions, doing system testing,
> changing back-up tapes and so on. Yes, there needs to be guidance and 
> governance of all
that honest toil, but most of that needs to be at the tactical level,
> at the level of "Hell, we have 123 more bugs to squash" or "Bugger, we have 
> to train 68
users by Friday...".
>
> David More's view is that it isn't all self-organising. Maybe so, but I am 
> not convinced
that Grand Plans work any better. If they were still alive, we could
> ask Comrades Stalin, Malenkov, Khrushchev, Brezhnev, Andropov and Chernenko 
> about that.
I can't help feeling that Comrade Gorbachev had the right idea. He is
> available for consulting, by the way: http://www.mikhailgorbachev.org/
>
>> The vision thing is much more fun.
>>
> Yes, one never even has to leave one's armchair, what with wi-fi and laptops 
> and the Net
and  things.
>
> Tim C
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