Well Deepak,
In a gendered society, where men and women donot have equal privileges, it
is worthwhile to look at our 'gender'. What happens in gender neutral spaces
is that mostly it is men's spaces. As Devika pointed out, the crowded bus
itself is not just a free space, but a space where gender works. Also look
at other stratifications like class, caste, religion. Always the privileged
said that there is no caste, class, religion. But dalits had to assert their
caste identity. In my understanding casteism doesnt allow to raise the issue
of caste, it normalises the existing hierarchies.
Also I feel it is about representation, there is an 'every day gender' in
our talk, though we donot accept it.
Aryan
On 6/7/07, deepak p <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> i din follow this discussion fully, but i got a feel of it.. i fail to
> understand why the gender of the poster is given importance? for me, it is
> unconsequential
>
> On 6/6/07, Bobby Kunhu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Rajeender
> > it is not about Devika, I do not know her asmuch as you do not or do
> > It is about how women are constructed in our collective imaginations and
> > how we "spontaneously" respond using a certain language thats programmed in
> > us..
> > I think that was what aryan and others were talking about
> > It is not only about women, it is also about out constructions of our
> > own histories within the frameworks of our identities... It is as much as
> > about being a Nair or a Pulayan and what histories and mythologies we use to
> > tell our histories
> > Devikas point about aggression is also about that.... we, often do not
> > realise that inherited notions of justness that we live with, for instance,
> > that we use swear words and metaphors for injustice, "whore" in this context
> > being a good example...
> > Devika's metaphor of sexual violencein this case then is true,
> > I hope we collectively decide to avoid such unpleasantness in future and
> > behave in a civil manner in this forum
> > Warmly
> >
> > On 06/06/07, rajeender <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Firstly, I am beaten on my own turf.
> > > Secondly, I apologise to Devika because she feels my post in question
> > > an aggression on her person.
> > > Thirdly, I request her to consider this point: Written words can have
> > > unintended consequences far more than word of mouth. Anonymity
> > > aggravates this greatly.
> > > She and somebody else might have mistaken my post to the group as
> > > direct mail to her.
> > > I have deleted the objectionable post.
> > > (If this message is duplicated some error is to blame.)
> > > On Jun 6, 7:30 pm, devika < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > Rajeender's last mail to me ('a woman') made me fel pukish.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Bobby Kunhu
> > C1/5, SDA, New Delhi - 110 016
> > Phone - +91-11-46021460
> >
> > > >
> >
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