CK Raju wrote: > On Aug 7, 6:01 am, CK Raju <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Praveen A wrote: >>> വേലി തന്നെ വിളവ് തിന്നുന്ന കാഴ്ച സങ്കടമുണ്ടാക്കുന്നു. >> While it may not look sensible to essentialise language, we > > > Pravin, > Is this link a pointer to the debate ? > http://tdil.mit.gov.in/prop_uni/Malayalam.pdf > > CK Raju
Yes. But now Unicode is accepted the GoI & GoK's Proposals to Atomically encode Chillaksharams. It is now with ISO, the international standardisation body , waiting for the ballot of its participating Members. You can see the Malayalam Cillaksham proposal at submitted to ISO/IEC JTC1/SC2/WG2, the international standardization working group for the coded character set UCS - the Universal Multiple-Octet Coded Character Set http://www.dkuug.dk/jtc1/sc2/wg2/docs/n3126.pdf The Threats Introduced by the new Atomic chillu Encoding are 1. It questions flow & structure of Language & the reason for the Occurrence of Chillu's .The Basic principle of unicode is violated and issue become Representation 2. All Existing Malayalam Unicode Text will be Broken (it is using Consonant +virama+Zero width Joiner to form chillu's) if they are not supporting the old sequence. Peter constable already ensured this 3. So it will result Dual encoding for the same alphabet. for example ന് can be represented using Atomic chillu NN as well as ന + ് + zwj 4. This will break all existing code base, Dictionaries, indexes, spell checkers etc (GNU ASPELL Malayalam dictionay now have 133000 words and still counting) 5. Which chillu encoded result you can expect if you searched for a chillu included word in google? 6. If the usage of Zero width Joiner (which form chillu from its base form ie ന+്+zwj) considered as an issue why People are not talking about Zero width non joiner & zero width space. (like Tamil_nadu ZWNJ defines the difference between തമിഴ്നാട് and തമിഴ്നാട്) If we are using the same logic of chillu encoding (encoding of all instances of Zwj) , All instance of ZWNJ is also need to be encoded. Then where we end up? It is against the basic principle of unicode that only base characters are encoded. 7. Why isn't other graphically independent (pre base ra... ) characters not encoded if the argument for chillu encoding is graphical independence? 8. One of our Friend Registered 2 domains http://റാല്മിനോവ്.blogspot.com ( Using Consonant + virama+ zwj for chillu LL) and http://റാൽമിനോവ്.blogspot.com (using the atomic chill for LL.) Both will appear in the same way but points two different locations. So fate of malayalam URL's will be an era of spoofing. just think about the malayalam url Federalbank.com the chillu LL can be represented 2 ways so some fake site can catch up bank usernames and password if bank failed to register both 2 urls. How user type represents the page appearance. 9. We belive Chilling property is there for most of the consonants. By Chilling property I understand the consonant should not join with the following consonant when a virama is put between them. This feature is presently addressed using the joiner(where there are some graphically independent glyph for the Chillu) and non-joiner(where there are no graphically independent glyph). That is the way we write TamizhNaadu (using non-joiner - no chillu-zha found), MohanLal (using joiner - chillu-na found). So it must be dependent with the Consonant And not an independent character 10. we believe it is unnecessary to encode the Cils atomically considering their graphical independence alone. so participating countries in ISO/IEC 10646. ( list is here http://lucia.itscj.ipsj.or.jp/itscj/servlets/ScmMem10?Com_Id=02&PER_F=1 ) will decide the future of Malayalam Computing. As a subtext see the old note on Rachana group"our texts for our Language". http://chintha.com/keralam/malayalam/language-alphabets.html -- Anivar Aravind moving Republic Peringavu.P.O Thrissur-18 Kerala http://anivar.movingrepublic.org/about --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Green Youth Movement" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
