in an aggressive communal atmosphere,This is what we are witnessing Sivasena used arati to counter prayer of muslims in public space.All these sounds and noices are using for the communalisation of public sphere.State is the mute witness is here.Whic is why even asgar aki engineer asks-is indian secularism dead?This is much more the crisis of urban public sphere in indian social life.A particular type of vernacular public sphere and its syncretic tradition is shifting towards a ghettoisation /lumpamisation of civil life .Even the sacred private beliefs are pushing to social division by which the political and religious capital is creating.
--- On Mon, 7/7/08, satchidanandan k <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: satchidanandan k <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: sound pollution > To: [email protected] > Date: Monday, July 7, 2008, 2:33 PM > The question of sound pollution applies to all sounds, > whether from vehicles or factories or temples.And no one > spoke here of a public space without religions.If so I > would not have begun with a quote from a mystic. Clearly > there are prejudices at work here. I happily withdraw.Look > at things from below. > > Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 09:56:55 +0300From: > [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [GreenYouth] Re: sound > pollution > hi > is sound from factory secular? > > why we still imagine a public space above religions? why > can't we be realistic of the multi-ethnic public space. > > pl. abandon the word 'He' to refer to God. > regards, > ahmed rafeek > On 7/7/08, satchidanandan k <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > I have grown up with Muslim friends and have lived near > mosques whose azan never was a disturbance.And my attitude > in these matters is no secret. No one is speaking against > belief systems here, but only about the general quiet that > we expect in any civilized society It is not the azan, nor > the ordinary prayers in temples or churches that is the > point of discussion, but the sound levels. My problem in > Delhi is the Hindu jagarans that go on throughout the night > while the microphone is kept at the highest decibels so that > those nearby cannot read or sleep, it affects the students > also very badly.There are clear rules about the sound > levels, but the police is in collusion with those who run > these jagarans, often the VHP people.And talking of > tolerance, I feel it unfortunate that tolerance is now seen > as something between one religion and another. The space for > secular people is getting reified day by day. Real tolerance > should also include the non-believers and the believers who > try to think above religion in public matters.But it seems > the believer will never tolerate the secular person or the > non-believer. A real believer should accept that the > atheists and the secular persons are also God's > creatures and God does not abandon even men who abandon > Him.Not tolerating the secular people is also an instance > of intolerance.And that has much to do with the intolerant > fundamentalism on the rise.Look at things from below. > > Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 08:08:57 +0400From: > [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; > [EMAIL PROTECTED]; > [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [GreenYouth] Re: sound > pollution > In the age of the stockmarket, only the one who shouts the > loudest gets the attentionThe adhan (bank/ call to prayer) > is not some thing that have been the custom in mosques for > centuries... This "shouting" is not a prayer to > Allah, but the invitation of the Muslims for prayer, which > is mandatory in every mosque according to a muslim's > belief... In the age of stock market, what is new is the > intolerance towards such "incompatible" belief > systems, that are "inferior" to more rational > modernity... This is not suggest that muslims can't > minimize the noise level in these calls.. Such things can > be suggested in tolerant ways, rather than this secular > rhetorics.. Hail those "meditate in silence"... > There are so many impressed in such cultured ways of > attaining god... RegardsAfthab > On Sun, Jul 6, 2008 at 6:27 PM, S sanjeev > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > i have a request.before you lodge a complaint against those > poor mullahs please read Ernst Kirchner Karel's doctoral > dissertation "Kerala Sound Electricals:Amplified Sound > and Cultural Meaning in South India". (Chicago > univ,2003)PS; i wish i too had a beautiful reply just like > satchidanandan's with all those birds,trees and > wonderful silences.--- On Sun, 6/7/08, Subid K.S. > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Subid K.S. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Subject: > [GreenYouth] sound pollutionTo: "Green Youth > Movement" <[email protected]>Date: > Sunday, 6 July, 2008, 4:50 PM > > > Friends, > > Is there any group/people fighting against sound pollution? > If yes, please reply. > http://www.keralapcb.org/statutes/noise_rule.htm#nr3 this > is the link that i got from net. It says we can complaint > to authorities if the noise level exceeds the ambient > noise standards by 10 dB(A) or more given in the table > given last. I am worried more about the horns of certain > vehicles and the early morning "prayers". Like > banks from mosques, why can't they limit to one bank > instead of giving it from six or seven nearby ones!? > (talking from Valanchery town) > Subid. > > > Not happy with your email address? Get the one you really > want - millions of new email addresses available now at > Yahoo! > > <br_________________________________________________________________ > Wish to Marry Now? Click Here to Register FREE > http://www.shaadi.com/registration/user/index.php?ptnr=mhottag > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Green Youth Movement" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
