( I got some more time to come back to the computer again, hence this) Thanks, Unni, for pointing out that. I was also not sure if it was Russel or Sha and was confused, thats why I put a braket, I remember so..
And because of time barriers I couldnt search more to refer for the counter arguments too. Anyway with my own thoughts, the religious texts could hold many knids of interpretations. The whole hermeneutic enterprise wont conclude Asma`s opinion. She interprets in favour of her claims. One can interpret it as ptriarchal as well. There could be many hermeneutic implications for a text, according to the subjective positions of the interpreter. ' And the quote says, 'if God is not male or like one, there also is no reason to hold that God has any special affinity with males '. I think it is not an argument that helps the point of non-patriarchy or genderlessness/sexlessness of God. It presupposes, being male or like a male confirms an affinity to male! Does that connote any affinity towards female?! ( if male , istead of sexual partisanship, he might have shown some affinity to women!) Much confusing. I dont know if this hermeneutics ( with no tradition) would serve any purpose non-religious epistemology! thanks maya "Does feminist mean large unpleasant person who'll shout at you or someone who believes women are human beings. To me it's the latter, so I sign up." By: Margaret Atwood On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 2:23 PM, mukundan unni <[email protected]>wrote: > Dear Maya, > "Why I am not a Christian?" is an essay by Bertrand Russel. It has been > later included into a book of his own - "Why I am not a Christian and Other > Essays." > Love > Unni > > On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 11:28 AM, Maya <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I have gone through 'why I`m not a Hindu' and Why I`m not a christian ( >> Bernad sha I remember) many years back. Not just because of going through >> books, or believing in traditional theories that we have to become atheists >> or agnostics.( The theories made by others are not believed, but are just >> for the sake of reference or use in arguments) It wuld be basically of one`s >> own thought. Ya, it would be gradually deconstructing as well. >> >> Many of the people ( may in any realm including marxist) fear to talk >> about God and criticize! Why people fear God? Related to that Why people >> fear Religion? The topic of God in relation to Religion (at least) should be >> thought about, as it is out of such topics nowadays we have sects in the >> society which make communalism and related type of violence.May be there are >> things that are out of human`s control. May be there is a supernatural/ >> superhuman force. But why people should personify that and worship and fear! >> I dont think it is necessary. And of course, it is a block for puroganamna >> chinta ( if there is anything called in that way). >> >> On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 11:05 AM, S sanjeev <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> dear maya, >>> since i feel "god" and "purogamanam" are being discussed here as >>> absolute/fixed categories i'd suggest we look at persepectives such as >>> kancha illaiah's. >>> In *why i am not a hindu *he illustrates how the brahmanical gods and >>> dalitbahujan gods are entirely different in all "divine" aspects(including >>> misogyny). >>> >>> >>> --- On *Sat, 31/1/09, Maya <[email protected]>* wrote: >>> >>> From: Maya <[email protected]> >>> Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: CPM,CBI,CHURCH >>> To: [email protected] >>> Date: Saturday, 31 January, 2009, 8:45 PM >>> >>> >>> Sreenivas, I dont understand the simile between the teapot and god. >>> >>> And its not clear for me what people think of 'believing in god' either, >>> from the discussions. >>> >>> And I was not calling anyone purogamannakkar sanjeev. I was wondering >>> here about a topic 'purogamanam and belief in God' . Belief in God doesnt >>> necessarily mean belief in Religion, and vice versa. ( i dont know if its a >>> topic for people here; but it is a debatable one in my mind, Especially >>> because these terms are very much misogynistc in their meanings ). May >>> be these terms are to be discussed and defined as they are in very common >>> usage still. May be when the discussion makes people fed up, could be taken >>> as a joke finally! >>> >>> maya >>> >>> >>> "Does feminist mean large unpleasant person who'll shout at you or >>> someone who believes women are human beings. To me it's the latter, so I >>> sign up." >>> By: Margaret Atwood >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 1/31/09, sreenivas v.p <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Maya , >>>> >>>> The discussion about god itself is meaningless and a waste of time . let >>>> us discuss about something that is real and existing . Can i imagine that >>>> there is a teapot revolving around the earth and immediately start thinking >>>> whether it exists or not? God is also like that . >>>> we have created something in our imagination and and then worrying >>>> about that . >>>> and real athiests do not respect other's religion also because he /she >>>> knows that religion is stupidity . so if u r an athiest (i dont know) , u >>>> dont have to respect the religious feelings of anybody . >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> --- On *Fri, 30/1/09, Maya <[email protected]>* wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> From: Maya <[email protected]> >>>> Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: CPM,CBI,CHURCH >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Date: Friday, 30 January, 2009, 11:45 PM >>>> >>>> Dear Sanjeev, >>>> >>>> I dont understand why you take it as a brutal accusation ! I never meant >>>> to do so. I mean, I dont mean to accuse anyone while trying to bring out a >>>> creative discussion on the topic 'God' and 'Belief in God'. >>>> I dont mind anyone being a believer; you or Anil and Salim who responded >>>> here. And I dont think 'believing in God' is a thing to be accused. >>>> Its true that I was not jocking.( though in this group there is a >>>> practice of jocking, teasing, accusing etc., instead of discussing) But I >>>> was not meaning to insult anyone`s belief too. >>>> But I definitely think ' belief in God' is a topic that could be debated >>>> in this forum. Because all in this group are progressive thinkers in one >>>> way >>>> I hope. Ya, may be there is no need to have that label as well. Or it >>>> should >>>> be in some other way it has to be addressed. I don`t know. But I have been >>>> engaged with such debates and am still interested to know how people think >>>> about 'God' in the modern-postmodern era (or just the present post marxist >>>> era or whatever). >>>> Such anxieties happened to be posed with reference of your email, >>>> that`s all. >>>> The poem is meaningful . God has no issues of survival may be. So no >>>> need to worry about taking a PhD ( which itself is a meaningless idea). >>>> thanks >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 1/30/09, S sanjeev <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> dear maya, >>>>> being called "purogamanakaran" is beyond the limits of my endurance. >>>>> hence the following blasphemy. >>>>> hope this would suffice and you'd withdraw your brutal accusation:-) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *Why God never got a PhD >>>>> >>>>> * >>>>> >>>>> S/He had only one major publication. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> It was written in Aramaic, not in English. >>>>> >>>>> It has no references and footnotes. >>>>> >>>>> It wasn't even published in a refereed journal. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> There are serious doubts s/he wrote it her/himself. >>>>> >>>>> The Scientific community has had a hard time replicating her/his >>>>> results. >>>>> >>>>> When subjects didn't behave as predicted, s/he deleted them from >>>>> the sample. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> S/He rarely came to class, just told her/his students to read the book. >>>>> >>>>> Some say s/he had her/his son to teach the class. >>>>> >>>>> S/He expelled her/his first two students for learning. >>>>> >>>>> Although there were only 10 requirements, most of her/his students >>>>> failed her/his tests. >>>>> >>>>> ***************************************************************************************** >>>>> >>>>> --- On *Fri, 30/1/09, Maya <[email protected]>* wrote: >>>>> >>>>> From: Maya <[email protected]> >>>>> Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: CPM,CBI,CHURCH >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Date: Friday, 30 January, 2009, 2:49 PM >>>>> >>>>> purogamanakkarkku eesvara visvasikalavan kazhiyumo ! I doubt >>>>> generally. ( not targetting you now, sanjeev. As a topic that could be >>>>> discussed) I hope some blasphemy atleast- >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 1:04 PM, S sanjeev <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> as u wish maya! >>>>>> i have no plans to be blasphemous:-) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> --- On Fri, 30/1/09, Maya <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> > From: Maya <[email protected]> >>>>>> > Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: CPM,CBI,CHURCH >>>>>> > To: [email protected] >>>>>> >>>>>> > Date: Friday, 30 January, 2009, 11:45 AM >>>>>> > Why?! Then I will not survive. Survival is also not >>>>>> > necessary . >>>>>> > >>>>>> > On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 8:54 PM, S sanjeev >>>>>> > <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> > >>>>>> > > to survive in greenyouth you have to be a believer >>>>>> > dear maya:-) >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > --- On *Thu, 29/1/09, Maya >>>>>> > <[email protected]>* wrote: >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > From: Maya <[email protected]> >>>>>> > > Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: CPM,CBI,CHURCH >>>>>> > > To: [email protected] >>>>>> > > Date: Thursday, 29 January, 2009, 1:56 PM >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > U seem to be very much a theist ! Why do you assign >>>>>> > mystery to God?! What >>>>>> > > about some atheism?! >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 6:44 PM, S sanjeev >>>>>> > <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > >> see, god's ways are indeed mysterious:-) >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> --- On *Tue, 27/1/09, Praveen A >>>>>> > <[email protected]>* wrote: >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> From: Praveen A <[email protected]> >>>>>> > >> Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: CPM,CBI,CHURCH >>>>>> > >> To: [email protected] >>>>>> > >> Date: Tuesday, 27 January, 2009, 9:02 AM >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> 2009/1/25 S sanjeev <[email protected]>: >>>>>> > >> > a friend sent it. >>>>>> > >> > the text,"it seems": >>>>>> > >> > niraparadhikalaaya father pithrukayil, father >>>>>> > kottoor, sister sefi, >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> > pinarayi vijayan ennivare anyaayamaayi >>>>>> > pedippikkunna CBI neethi >>>>>> > >> paalikkuka! >>>>>> > >> > (pakal maanya samithi) >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> I heard it was reported in Asianet as support for >>>>>> > Pinarayi !! >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> - Praveen >>>>>> > >> -- >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> പ്രവീണ് >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് >>>>>> > >> <GPLv2> I know my rights; I want my phone >>>>>> > call! >>>>>> > >> <DRM> What use is a phone call, if you are >>>>>> > unable to speak? >>>>>> > >> (as seen on /.) >>>>>> > >> Join The DRM Elimination Crew Now! >>>>>> > >> http://fci.wikia.com/wiki/Anti-DRM-Campaign >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > -- >>>>>> > > Maya S. >>>>>> > > http://cogito-maya.blogspot.com/ >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > -- >>>>>> > Maya S. >>>>>> > http://cogito-maya.blogspot.com/ >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Maya S. >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> Check out the all-new Messenger 9.0! 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