I havnt put them as homogeneous. Ono-homogeneous things also could have some relation I think, thats why i tried to put them together.
And interesting are the long quotes,though I dont think they can be taken as final. but I dont want to pull the counter arguments and drag the discussion. Thanks. maya On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 12:21 PM, S sanjeev <[email protected]> wrote: > i'm stating my point once again. > why view "God"(G in upper case as usual) and "purogamanam" (if any)as > homogenous entitities? > > --- On *Mon, 2/2/09, Maya <[email protected]>* wrote: > > From: Maya <[email protected]> > Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: CPM,CBI,CHURCH > To: [email protected] > Date: Monday, 2 February, 2009, 11:28 AM > > I have gone through 'why I`m not a Hindu' and Why I`m not a christian ( > Bernad sha I remember) many years back. Not just because of going through > books, or believing in traditional theories that we have to become atheists > or agnostics.( The theories made by others are not believed, but are just > for the sake of reference or use in arguments) It wuld be basically of one`s > own thought. Ya, it would be gradually deconstructing as well. > > Many of the people ( may in any realm including marxist) fear to talk about > God and criticize! Why people fear God? Related to that Why people fear > Religion? The topic of God in relation to Religion (at least) should be > thought about, as it is out of such topics nowadays we have sects in the > society which make communalism and related type of violence.May be there are > things that are out of human`s control. May be there is a supernatural/ > superhuman force. But why people should personify that and worship and fear! > I dont think it is necessary. And of course, it is a block for puroganamna > chinta ( if there is anything called in that way). > > On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 11:05 AM, S sanjeev <[email protected]> wrote: > >> dear maya, >> since i feel "god" and "purogamanam" are being discussed here as >> absolute/fixed categories i'd suggest we look at persepectives such as >> kancha illaiah's. >> In *why i am not a hindu *he illustrates how the brahmanical gods and >> dalitbahujan gods are entirely different in all "divine" aspects(including >> misogyny). >> >> >> --- On *Sat, 31/1/09, Maya <[email protected]>* wrote: >> >> From: Maya <[email protected]> >> Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: CPM,CBI,CHURCH >> To: [email protected] >> Date: Saturday, 31 January, 2009, 8:45 PM >> >> >> Sreenivas, I dont understand the simile between the teapot and god. >> >> And its not clear for me what people think of 'believing in god' either, >> from the discussions. >> >> And I was not calling anyone purogamannakkar sanjeev. I was wondering here >> about a topic 'purogamanam and belief in God' . Belief in God doesnt >> necessarily mean belief in Religion, and vice versa. ( i dont know if its a >> topic for people here; but it is a debatable one in my mind, Especially >> because these terms are very much misogynistc in their meanings ). May >> be these terms are to be discussed and defined as they are in very common >> usage still. May be when the discussion makes people fed up, could be taken >> as a joke finally! >> >> maya >> >> >> "Does feminist mean large unpleasant person who'll shout at you or >> someone who believes women are human beings. To me it's the latter, so I >> sign up." >> By: Margaret Atwood >> >> >> >> >> On 1/31/09, sreenivas v.p <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Maya , >>> >>> The discussion about god itself is meaningless and a waste of time . let >>> us discuss about something that is real and existing . Can i imagine that >>> there is a teapot revolving around the earth and immediately start thinking >>> whether it exists or not? God is also like that . >>> we have created something in our imagination and and then worrying >>> about that . >>> and real athiests do not respect other's religion also because he /she >>> knows that religion is stupidity . so if u r an athiest (i dont know) , u >>> dont have to respect the religious feelings of anybody . >>> >>> >>> >>> --- On *Fri, 30/1/09, Maya <[email protected]>* wrote: >>> >>> >>> From: Maya <[email protected]> >>> Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: CPM,CBI,CHURCH >>> To: [email protected] >>> Date: Friday, 30 January, 2009, 11:45 PM >>> >>> Dear Sanjeev, >>> >>> I dont understand why you take it as a brutal accusation ! I never meant >>> to do so. I mean, I dont mean to accuse anyone while trying to bring out a >>> creative discussion on the topic 'God' and 'Belief in God'. >>> I dont mind anyone being a believer; you or Anil and Salim who responded >>> here. And I dont think 'believing in God' is a thing to be accused. >>> Its true that I was not jocking.( though in this group there is a >>> practice of jocking, teasing, accusing etc., instead of discussing) But I >>> was not meaning to insult anyone`s belief too. >>> But I definitely think ' belief in God' is a topic that could be debated >>> in this forum. Because all in this group are progressive thinkers in one way >>> I hope. Ya, may be there is no need to have that label as well. Or it should >>> be in some other way it has to be addressed. I don`t know. But I have been >>> engaged with such debates and am still interested to know how people think >>> about 'God' in the modern-postmodern era (or just the present post marxist >>> era or whatever). >>> Such anxieties happened to be posed with reference of your email, that`s >>> all. >>> The poem is meaningful . God has no issues of survival may be. So no need >>> to worry about taking a PhD ( which itself is a meaningless idea). >>> thanks >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 1/30/09, S sanjeev <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> dear maya, >>>> being called "purogamanakaran" is beyond the limits of my endurance. >>>> hence the following blasphemy. >>>> hope this would suffice and you'd withdraw your brutal accusation:-) >>>> >>>> >>>> *Why God never got a PhD >>>> >>>> * >>>> >>>> S/He had only one major publication. >>>> >>>> >>>> It was written in Aramaic, not in English. >>>> >>>> It has no references and footnotes. >>>> >>>> It wasn't even published in a refereed journal. >>>> >>>> >>>> There are serious doubts s/he wrote it her/himself. >>>> >>>> The Scientific community has had a hard time replicating her/his >>>> results. >>>> >>>> When subjects didn't behave as predicted, s/he deleted them from >>>> the sample. >>>> >>>> >>>> S/He rarely came to class, just told her/his students to read the book. >>>> >>>> Some say s/he had her/his son to teach the class. >>>> >>>> S/He expelled her/his first two students for learning. >>>> >>>> Although there were only 10 requirements, most of her/his students >>>> failed her/his tests. >>>> >>>> ***************************************************************************************** >>>> >>>> --- On *Fri, 30/1/09, Maya <[email protected]>* wrote: >>>> >>>> From: Maya <[email protected]> >>>> Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: CPM,CBI,CHURCH >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Date: Friday, 30 January, 2009, 2:49 PM >>>> >>>> purogamanakkarkku eesvara visvasikalavan kazhiyumo ! I doubt >>>> generally. ( not targetting you now, sanjeev. As a topic that could be >>>> discussed) I hope some blasphemy atleast- >>>> >>>> On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 1:04 PM, S sanjeev <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> as u wish maya! >>>>> i have no plans to be blasphemous:-) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> --- On Fri, 30/1/09, Maya <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> > From: Maya <[email protected]> >>>>> > Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: CPM,CBI,CHURCH >>>>> > To: [email protected] >>>>> >>>>> > Date: Friday, 30 January, 2009, 11:45 AM >>>>> > Why?! Then I will not survive. Survival is also not >>>>> > necessary . >>>>> > >>>>> > On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 8:54 PM, S sanjeev >>>>> > <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> > > to survive in greenyouth you have to be a believer >>>>> > dear maya:-) >>>>> > > >>>>> > > --- On *Thu, 29/1/09, Maya >>>>> > <[email protected]>* wrote: >>>>> > > >>>>> > > From: Maya <[email protected]> >>>>> > > Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: CPM,CBI,CHURCH >>>>> > > To: [email protected] >>>>> > > Date: Thursday, 29 January, 2009, 1:56 PM >>>>> > > >>>>> > > U seem to be very much a theist ! Why do you assign >>>>> > mystery to God?! What >>>>> > > about some atheism?! >>>>> > > >>>>> > > On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 6:44 PM, S sanjeev >>>>> > <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> > > >>>>> > >> see, god's ways are indeed mysterious:-) >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> --- On *Tue, 27/1/09, Praveen A >>>>> > <[email protected]>* wrote: >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> From: Praveen A <[email protected]> >>>>> > >> Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: CPM,CBI,CHURCH >>>>> > >> To: [email protected] >>>>> > >> Date: Tuesday, 27 January, 2009, 9:02 AM >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> 2009/1/25 S sanjeev <[email protected]>: >>>>> > >> > a friend sent it. >>>>> > >> > the text,"it seems": >>>>> > >> > niraparadhikalaaya father pithrukayil, father >>>>> > kottoor, sister sefi, >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> > pinarayi vijayan ennivare anyaayamaayi >>>>> > pedippikkunna CBI neethi >>>>> > >> paalikkuka! >>>>> > >> > (pakal maanya samithi) >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> I heard it was reported in Asianet as support for >>>>> > Pinarayi !! >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> - Praveen >>>>> > >> -- >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> പ്രവീണ് >>>>> > >> >>>>> > അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് >>>>> > >> <GPLv2> I know my rights; I want my phone >>>>> > call! >>>>> > >> <DRM> What use is a phone call, if you are >>>>> > unable to speak? >>>>> > >> (as seen on /.) >>>>> > >> Join The DRM Elimination Crew Now! >>>>> > >> http://fci.wikia.com/wiki/Anti-DRM-Campaign >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > -- >>>>> > > Maya S. >>>>> > > http://cogito-maya.blogspot.com/ >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > -- >>>>> > Maya S. >>>>> > http://cogito-maya.blogspot.com/ >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Maya S. >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> Check out the all-new Messenger 9.0! 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