Ya, I was bearing that point in mind while writing the above. I thnk there is personification and gendering ( please dont take it as any argument for insulting any religion.). I dont know if I`m right saying this. .Allah is a male person though there is no idol or icon for that God? I`m not clear about this. It may be nice if I get any clarity
On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 11:42 AM, salimtk <[email protected]> wrote: > sorry for the interruption but: > muslims are not supposed to abide with any personification and > engendering of Allah, but they do worship. > On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 8:58 AM, Maya <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I have gone through 'why I`m not a Hindu' and Why I`m not a christian ( >> Bernad sha I remember) many years back. Not just because of going through >> books, or believing in traditional theories that we have to become atheists >> or agnostics.( The theories made by others are not believed, but are just >> for the sake of reference or use in arguments) It wuld be basically of one`s >> own thought. Ya, it would be gradually deconstructing as well. >> >> Many of the people ( may in any realm including marxist) fear to talk >> about God and criticize! Why people fear God? Related to that Why people >> fear Religion? The topic of God in relation to Religion (at least) should be >> thought about, as it is out of such topics nowadays we have sects in the >> society which make communalism and related type of violence.May be there are >> things that are out of human`s control. May be there is a supernatural/ >> superhuman force. But why people should personify that and worship and fear! >> I dont think it is necessary. And of course, it is a block for puroganamna >> chinta ( if there is anything called in that way). >> >> On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 11:05 AM, S sanjeev <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> dear maya, >>> since i feel "god" and "purogamanam" are being discussed here as >>> absolute/fixed categories i'd suggest we look at persepectives such as >>> kancha illaiah's. >>> In *why i am not a hindu *he illustrates how the brahmanical gods and >>> dalitbahujan gods are entirely different in all "divine" aspects(including >>> misogyny). >>> >>> >>> --- On *Sat, 31/1/09, Maya <[email protected]>* wrote: >>> >>> From: Maya <[email protected]> >>> Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: CPM,CBI,CHURCH >>> To: [email protected] >>> Date: Saturday, 31 January, 2009, 8:45 PM >>> >>> >>> Sreenivas, I dont understand the simile between the teapot and god. >>> >>> And its not clear for me what people think of 'believing in god' either, >>> from the discussions. >>> >>> And I was not calling anyone purogamannakkar sanjeev. I was wondering >>> here about a topic 'purogamanam and belief in God' . Belief in God doesnt >>> necessarily mean belief in Religion, and vice versa. ( i dont know if its a >>> topic for people here; but it is a debatable one in my mind, Especially >>> because these terms are very much misogynistc in their meanings ). May >>> be these terms are to be discussed and defined as they are in very common >>> usage still. May be when the discussion makes people fed up, could be taken >>> as a joke finally! >>> >>> maya >>> >>> >>> "Does feminist mean large unpleasant person who'll shout at you or >>> someone who believes women are human beings. To me it's the latter, so I >>> sign up." >>> By: Margaret Atwood >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 1/31/09, sreenivas v.p <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Maya , >>>> >>>> The discussion about god itself is meaningless and a waste of time . let >>>> us discuss about something that is real and existing . Can i imagine that >>>> there is a teapot revolving around the earth and immediately start thinking >>>> whether it exists or not? God is also like that . >>>> we have created something in our imagination and and then worrying >>>> about that . >>>> and real athiests do not respect other's religion also because he /she >>>> knows that religion is stupidity . so if u r an athiest (i dont know) , u >>>> dont have to respect the religious feelings of anybody . >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> --- On *Fri, 30/1/09, Maya <[email protected]>* wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> From: Maya <[email protected]> >>>> Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: CPM,CBI,CHURCH >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Date: Friday, 30 January, 2009, 11:45 PM >>>> >>>> Dear Sanjeev, >>>> >>>> I dont understand why you take it as a brutal accusation ! I never meant >>>> to do so. I mean, I dont mean to accuse anyone while trying to bring out a >>>> creative discussion on the topic 'God' and 'Belief in God'. >>>> I dont mind anyone being a believer; you or Anil and Salim who responded >>>> here. And I dont think 'believing in God' is a thing to be accused. >>>> Its true that I was not jocking.( though in this group there is a >>>> practice of jocking, teasing, accusing etc., instead of discussing) But I >>>> was not meaning to insult anyone`s belief too. >>>> But I definitely think ' belief in God' is a topic that could be debated >>>> in this forum. Because all in this group are progressive thinkers in one >>>> way >>>> I hope. Ya, may be there is no need to have that label as well. Or it >>>> should >>>> be in some other way it has to be addressed. I don`t know. But I have been >>>> engaged with such debates and am still interested to know how people think >>>> about 'God' in the modern-postmodern era (or just the present post marxist >>>> era or whatever). >>>> Such anxieties happened to be posed with reference of your email, >>>> that`s all. >>>> The poem is meaningful . God has no issues of survival may be. So no >>>> need to worry about taking a PhD ( which itself is a meaningless idea). >>>> thanks >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 1/30/09, S sanjeev <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> dear maya, >>>>> being called "purogamanakaran" is beyond the limits of my endurance. >>>>> hence the following blasphemy. >>>>> hope this would suffice and you'd withdraw your brutal accusation:-) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *Why God never got a PhD >>>>> >>>>> * >>>>> >>>>> S/He had only one major publication. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> It was written in Aramaic, not in English. >>>>> >>>>> It has no references and footnotes. >>>>> >>>>> It wasn't even published in a refereed journal. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> There are serious doubts s/he wrote it her/himself. >>>>> >>>>> The Scientific community has had a hard time replicating her/his >>>>> results. >>>>> >>>>> When subjects didn't behave as predicted, s/he deleted them from >>>>> the sample. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> S/He rarely came to class, just told her/his students to read the book. >>>>> >>>>> Some say s/he had her/his son to teach the class. >>>>> >>>>> S/He expelled her/his first two students for learning. >>>>> >>>>> Although there were only 10 requirements, most of her/his students >>>>> failed her/his tests. >>>>> >>>>> ***************************************************************************************** >>>>> >>>>> --- On *Fri, 30/1/09, Maya <[email protected]>* wrote: >>>>> >>>>> From: Maya <[email protected]> >>>>> Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: CPM,CBI,CHURCH >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Date: Friday, 30 January, 2009, 2:49 PM >>>>> >>>>> purogamanakkarkku eesvara visvasikalavan kazhiyumo ! I doubt >>>>> generally. ( not targetting you now, sanjeev. As a topic that could be >>>>> discussed) I hope some blasphemy atleast- >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 1:04 PM, S sanjeev <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> as u wish maya! >>>>>> i have no plans to be blasphemous:-) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> --- On Fri, 30/1/09, Maya <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> > From: Maya <[email protected]> >>>>>> > Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: CPM,CBI,CHURCH >>>>>> > To: [email protected] >>>>>> >>>>>> > Date: Friday, 30 January, 2009, 11:45 AM >>>>>> > Why?! Then I will not survive. Survival is also not >>>>>> > necessary . >>>>>> > >>>>>> > On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 8:54 PM, S sanjeev >>>>>> > <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> > >>>>>> > > to survive in greenyouth you have to be a believer >>>>>> > dear maya:-) >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > --- On *Thu, 29/1/09, Maya >>>>>> > <[email protected]>* wrote: >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > From: Maya <[email protected]> >>>>>> > > Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: CPM,CBI,CHURCH >>>>>> > > To: [email protected] >>>>>> > > Date: Thursday, 29 January, 2009, 1:56 PM >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > U seem to be very much a theist ! Why do you assign >>>>>> > mystery to God?! What >>>>>> > > about some atheism?! >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 6:44 PM, S sanjeev >>>>>> > <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > >> see, god's ways are indeed mysterious:-) >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> --- On *Tue, 27/1/09, Praveen A >>>>>> > <[email protected]>* wrote: >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> From: Praveen A <[email protected]> >>>>>> > >> Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: CPM,CBI,CHURCH >>>>>> > >> To: [email protected] >>>>>> > >> Date: Tuesday, 27 January, 2009, 9:02 AM >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> 2009/1/25 S sanjeev <[email protected]>: >>>>>> > >> > a friend sent it. >>>>>> > >> > the text,"it seems": >>>>>> > >> > niraparadhikalaaya father pithrukayil, father >>>>>> > kottoor, sister sefi, >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> > pinarayi vijayan ennivare anyaayamaayi >>>>>> > pedippikkunna CBI neethi >>>>>> > >> paalikkuka! >>>>>> > >> > (pakal maanya samithi) >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> I heard it was reported in Asianet as support for >>>>>> > Pinarayi !! >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> - Praveen >>>>>> > >> -- >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> പ്രവീണ് >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് >>>>>> > >> <GPLv2> I know my rights; I want my phone >>>>>> > call! >>>>>> > >> <DRM> What use is a phone call, if you are >>>>>> > unable to speak? >>>>>> > >> (as seen on /.) >>>>>> > >> Join The DRM Elimination Crew Now! >>>>>> > >> http://fci.wikia.com/wiki/Anti-DRM-Campaign >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > -- >>>>>> > > Maya S. >>>>>> > > http://cogito-maya.blogspot.com/ >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > -- >>>>>> > Maya S. >>>>>> > http://cogito-maya.blogspot.com/ >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Maya S. >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> Check out the all-new Messenger 9.0! 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