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On Mar 7, 8:53 am, venukm <[email protected]> wrote:
> But it's not bad to work toward feminizing the human..Masculine in the
> biological angle is only a modification of the X to somewhat inferior Y
> (about half the size of the stronger X, according to scientists) ,only
> for the purpose of propagating the race. If you don't want to
> propagate the race for some good, forget Y and think of the
> desirability of X.
> Sreeni, I would say that all other divisions of masculine and feminine
> are socially constructed and certainly need to be challenged . Esp
> after the crashing in of queer theory by Judith Butler in the gender
> discourse,the entire orientation has changed .According to
> Butler,there is only very small difference between the so called
> male,female and the trans when we consider both from a biological and
> social perspective. Therefore, there is absolutely no point in our
> disproportionate celebrations of masculine and feminie.
> So, de-gendering (feminizing, in a sense) is not only desirable, but
> it is also vitally needed for maintaining any hope for the future of
> the human race. It simply helps curing the tendency of gendered humans
> to gravitate to power and violence.
>
> On Mar 7, 8:00 am, "sreenivas v.p" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Hi Maya ,
> > Any forms of feminism that discard the ideas of "masculinity " and
> > "femininity "
> > is rubbish . Gender equality cannot be applied if we ignor the basic needs
> > of men and women with respect to their sexuality . I think feminists, to a
> > certain extent has contaminated the womanly qualities .
> > and i dont think you are fighting for equality . What you want is
> > feminisation of the world .
> > regards
> > sreenivas
> >
> >
>
> > --- On Fri, 6/3/09, Maya <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > From: Maya <[email protected]>
> > Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: March-8-Interntional Women` Day
> > To: [email protected]
> > Date: Friday, 6 March, 2009, 10:43 PM
>
> > This is a program to speak out the limitations of WC and the drawbacks of
> > existing law nd order , as far as I could understand. I participate as I
> > think there is space to bring out the issues of patriarchy, gender and
> > sexuality too gradually. Or I think feminist activists should try to make
> > such a space in such programs.
>
> > On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 9:49 PM, venukm <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > I didn't mean that one or other doesn't understand those questions .
> > On the contrary, I wanted to raise a few questions about the
> > calculative silence ,or rather,
> > the conspiracy of silence of the opinion makers including prominent
> > fighters for women's cause.
> > In spite of having fought many a successful battle on the issue of
> > peedanam for nearly two and a half decades,
> > the fighters for women's rights cause here in Kerala do not want to
> > address
> > the core question;ie, the issue of gender justice vis a vis full
> > citizenship,
> > This is esp true in the context of sexuality and autonomy over body.
> > I'm sure Maya has not missed the advertisement by the WC, issued in
> > service of women as tips for their protection against violence.
> > It is mainly addressed to the middle class women and women who have
> > access to the internet, mobile phone and the 'outlandish' concepts of
> > fashion and beauty. It warns against women falling prey to
> > globalization.
> > It virtually ignores the plight of the women Maya had been referring
> > to, who are in fact much more exposed to outright violence and rape
> > within and outside the family in their day to day lives...In many
> > cases they are mercilessly thrown in the hands of racketeers by their
> > own relatives and yet it is they who they are warned against 'misuse'
> > of mobile phones and the internet.
> > If my understanding is correct, it is not the poor girls/ women who
> > are"misusing".It would be more accurate to say that in the course of
> > genuine use of these gadgets, there are chances of being victimized
> > through the misuse by gangsters. In that sense, even while
> > legitimately seeking entertainment and pleasure through the cyber
> > world, one has reasons to be warned. Girls wearing genes, visiting
> > pub, using the internet ,using mobile phones themselves need not be
> > the causes of peedanam. On the contrary, what the cultural elite
> > advices the ill-educated or semi literate girls is to shun these as
> > pitfalls created by the forces of globalization . Again, authenticity
> > to express as individuals is arbitrarily denied to these category of
> > women.
> > It is embarrassing that the chair persons of the state and the
> > central commissions for women have gone on record
> > denigrating questions of sexuality as central to the problem of
> > peedanam.
> > Unfortunately, despite her understanding of the issue in right
> > perspective, Maya argues that majority of women are yet not
> > enlightened enough to express as individuals sans wifes/daughters/
> > sisters, as persons with rights to citizenship!
> > This is the crux of the issue. Written law is one thing and the
> > unwritten law of the society and family is another.
> > I didn't want to belittle the importance of struggles and campaigns
> > like pennkodathi.
> > But I was only trying to whether they would ever be able to guide or
> > lead the women on the lines of defending their rights for sexuality
> > beyond the bounds of patriarchy. It is not just about pragmatism but
> > politics and gender justice. Do you (Maya) mean to say that the time
> > has not yet come to talk patriarchy?If yes, I beg to disagree.
> > Regards,
> > Venu.
>
> > On 5 Mar, 22:03, Maya <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > I do understand these questions. And I know all the sentences nthis notice
> > > were not good a all ( to be frank, it was not mine anyway, though I do
> > > support in the program. ) And some of the feminists (including me) have
> > > raised such questions and have discussed it even long back. But, I think
> > > we
> > > have to see some realities.
> > > Having autonomy over own bodies and not being labelled as victims - are
> > > meant for *already liberated women*.( educated/employed//upper-middle
> > > class/ideological/political/social -individual women and groups of them)
> > > Women who are never exposed to the feminist thought are many in Kerala (
> > > India in general, I would say). And among women from that large category ,
> > > there are many who literally suffer ' peedanam' as a vidhi. And they cry
> > > out
> > > just because their bodies are injured and because they are afraid of
> > > loosing
> > > life. They do file cases and fail and sometimes become helpless with their
> > > superstitions and stigma etc.
> > > I dont think time has changed that much taht we should only do talk to
> > > them
> > > about being " active individuals/ collectivities
> > > fighting , challenging the male regime of gender and sexuality on the
> > > one hand, and demanding progressive reforms in education about sex and
> > > reproduction on the other".
> > > They dont even know what gender and sexuality mean. They jsut want some
> > > way
> > > first, to save themselves from the brutality that they face from men
> > > inside
> > > or outside house. So first the gradual changing steps still would have to
> > > be
> > > fllowed.
> > > Socially yes, it is high time to break the patriarchal family and social
> > > system. But In the short time of twenty years, the women`s rights has
> > > not fully enterd into the grass root level of society and major life
> > > situations still follow typical victimization.
> > > So, I think, even though it is time to strenthen the discourse of
> > > sexuality
> > > and gender we cannot stop doing something like this at the same time.
>
> > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 3:54 PM, venukm <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > Well, we may do well to ask the organizations, or the personalities
> > > > presiding the pennkodathi these questions:
> > > > Do they really like to see women of Kerala ever having autonomy over
> > > > their bodies ?
> > > > Even while we find chapters of peedanam unending here in Kerala, are
> > > > we confident enough to be able in any near future, to stop seeing
> > > > women of Kerala just as victims of 'peedanam'?
> > > > When will we able to find them as active individuals/ collectivities
> > > > fighting , challenging the male regime of gender and sexuality on the
> > > > one hand, and demanding progressive reforms in education about sex and
> > > > reproduction on the other?
> > > > When will we/ they be able to take on this essentially anti-woman,
> > > > protectionist attitude that promotes kind of
> > > > single handed discourse on peedanam, wherein, active agency is denied
> > > > to women on every count?
> > > > When will be able to dispense with the need of outfits like "Stree
> > > > Suraksha Samithis" ,which virtually edifies the dictum of Manu (Women
> > > > should always be protected, and they never deserve to be free)
> > > > Flip side of the institution of peedanam is family, the burial ground
> > > > of every right of women to full citizenship.
> > > > It is high time that we openly defied Culture, Morals and Traditions
> > > > at least to the extent that they openly take sides with an agenda of
> > > > perpetuating patriarchy in all walks of life, be it physical labour,
> > > > reproduction, sexuality or the organization of family.
>
> > > > On Mar 5, 12:24 am, Maya <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > sorry, the attachment didnt work for the last sent one
>
> > > > > --
> > > > > Maya S.
>
> > > > > March 7 Notice.pmd
> > > > > 303KViewDownload
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> > > Maya S.
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