Thanks, Ranjit. I get your point and can perfectly agree.
On Mar 7, 9:28 am, ranju radha <[email protected]> wrote: > venuattan, > > i was not refering to ur mail. rather making a general statement in the > context of maya's mail. > this sympathy and love for the marginalised has been the hallmark of > "modern" ways of perpetuating violence. (look at the State/Party/Womens > commsn/etc all love the marginalised..) > reference to pink came bz of the way feminist movemnt was guided recetnly as > per NORM > and the normative silence towards incidents where identity of some Other > women were attcked > just wanted to point out that the struggles of women not exposed to feminist > thought also should be considered and respectd > and will give strenght to women;s movemnt... > > On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 9:34 AM, venukm <[email protected]> wrote: > > > An error corrected: > > Y chromozome is only 1/5 th of the X > > On Mar 7, 8:53 am, venukm <[email protected]> wrote: > > > But it's not bad to work toward feminizing the human..Masculine in the > > > biological angle is only a modification of the X to somewhat inferior Y > > > (about half the size of the stronger X, according to scientists) ,only > > > for the purpose of propagating the race. If you don't want to > > > propagate the race for some good, forget Y and think of the > > > desirability of X. > > > Sreeni, I would say that all other divisions of masculine and feminine > > > are socially constructed and certainly need to be challenged . Esp > > > after the crashing in of queer theory by Judith Butler in the gender > > > discourse,the entire orientation has changed .According to > > > Butler,there is only very small difference between the so called > > > male,female and the trans when we consider both from a biological and > > > social perspective. Therefore, there is absolutely no point in our > > > disproportionate celebrations of masculine and feminie. > > > So, de-gendering (feminizing, in a sense) is not only desirable, but > > > it is also vitally needed for maintaining any hope for the future of > > > the human race. It simply helps curing the tendency of gendered humans > > > to gravitate to power and violence. > > > > On Mar 7, 8:00 am, "sreenivas v.p" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Hi Maya , > > > > Any forms of feminism that discard the ideas of "masculinity " and > > "femininity " > > > > is rubbish . Gender equality cannot be applied if we ignor the basic > > needs of men and women with respect to their sexuality . I think feminists, > > to a certain extent has contaminated the womanly qualities . > > > > and i dont think you are fighting for equality . What you want is > > feminisation of the world . > > > > regards > > > > sreenivas > > > > > --- On Fri, 6/3/09, Maya <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > From: Maya <[email protected]> > > > > Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: March-8-Interntional Women` Day > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > Date: Friday, 6 March, 2009, 10:43 PM > > > > > This is a program to speak out the limitations of WC and the drawbacks > > of existing law nd order , as far as I could understand. I participate as I > > think there is space to bring out the issues of patriarchy, gender and > > sexuality too gradually. Or I think feminist activists should try to make > > such a space in such programs. > > > > > On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 9:49 PM, venukm <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I didn't mean that one or other doesn't understand those questions . > > > > On the contrary, I wanted to raise a few questions about the > > > > calculative silence ,or rather, > > > > the conspiracy of silence of the opinion makers including prominent > > > > fighters for women's cause. > > > > In spite of having fought many a successful battle on the issue of > > > > peedanam for nearly two and a half decades, > > > > the fighters for women's rights cause here in Kerala do not want to > > > > address > > > > the core question;ie, the issue of gender justice vis a vis full > > > > citizenship, > > > > This is esp true in the context of sexuality and autonomy over body. > > > > I'm sure Maya has not missed the advertisement by the WC, issued in > > > > service of women as tips for their protection against violence. > > > > It is mainly addressed to the middle class women and women who have > > > > access to the internet, mobile phone and the 'outlandish' concepts of > > > > fashion and beauty. It warns against women falling prey to > > > > globalization. > > > > It virtually ignores the plight of the women Maya had been referring > > > > to, who are in fact much more exposed to outright violence and rape > > > > within and outside the family in their day to day lives...In many > > > > cases they are mercilessly thrown in the hands of racketeers by their > > > > own relatives and yet it is they who they are warned against 'misuse' > > > > of mobile phones and the internet. > > > > If my understanding is correct, it is not the poor girls/ women who > > > > are"misusing".It would be more accurate to say that in the course of > > > > genuine use of these gadgets, there are chances of being victimized > > > > through the misuse by gangsters. In that sense, even while > > > > legitimately seeking entertainment and pleasure through the cyber > > > > world, one has reasons to be warned. Girls wearing genes, visiting > > > > pub, using the internet ,using mobile phones themselves need not be > > > > the causes of peedanam. On the contrary, what the cultural elite > > > > advices the ill-educated or semi literate girls is to shun these as > > > > pitfalls created by the forces of globalization . Again, authenticity > > > > to express as individuals is arbitrarily denied to these category of > > > > women. > > > > It is embarrassing that the chair persons of the state and the > > > > central commissions for women have gone on record > > > > denigrating questions of sexuality as central to the problem of > > > > peedanam. > > > > Unfortunately, despite her understanding of the issue in right > > > > perspective, Maya argues that majority of women are yet not > > > > enlightened enough to express as individuals sans wifes/daughters/ > > > > sisters, as persons with rights to citizenship! > > > > This is the crux of the issue. Written law is one thing and the > > > > unwritten law of the society and family is another. > > > > I didn't want to belittle the importance of struggles and campaigns > > > > like pennkodathi. > > > > But I was only trying to whether they would ever be able to guide or > > > > lead the women on the lines of defending their rights for sexuality > > > > beyond the bounds of patriarchy. It is not just about pragmatism but > > > > politics and gender justice. Do you (Maya) mean to say that the time > > > > has not yet come to talk patriarchy?If yes, I beg to disagree. > > > > Regards, > > > > Venu. > > > > > On 5 Mar, 22:03, Maya <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > I do understand these questions. And I know all the sentences nthis > > notice > > > > > were not good a all ( to be frank, it was not mine anyway, though I > > do > > > > > support in the program. ) And some of the feminists (including me) > > have > > > > > raised such questions and have discussed it even long back. But, I > > think we > > > > > have to see some realities. > > > > > Having autonomy over own bodies and not being labelled as victims - > > are > > > > > meant for *already liberated women*.( educated/employed//upper-middle > > > > > class/ideological/political/social -individual women and groups of > > them) > > > > > Women who are never exposed to the feminist thought are many in > > Kerala ( > > > > > India in general, I would say). And among women from that large > > category , > > > > > there are many who literally suffer ' peedanam' as a vidhi. And they > > cry out > > > > > just because their bodies are injured and because they are afraid of > > loosing > > > > > life. They do file cases and fail and sometimes become helpless with > > their > > > > > superstitions and stigma etc. > > > > > I dont think time has changed that much taht we should only do talk > > to them > > > > > about being " active individuals/ collectivities > > > > > fighting , challenging the male regime of gender and sexuality on the > > > > > one hand, and demanding progressive reforms in education about sex > > and > > > > > reproduction on the other". > > > > > They dont even know what gender and sexuality mean. They jsut want > > some way > > > > > first, to save themselves from the brutality that they face from men > > inside > > > > > or outside house. So first the gradual changing steps still would > > have to be > > > > > fllowed. > > > > > Socially yes, it is high time to break the patriarchal family and > > social > > > > > system. But In the short time of twenty years, the women`s rights has > > > > > not fully enterd into the grass root level of society and major life > > > > > situations still follow typical victimization. > > > > > So, I think, even though it is time to strenthen the discourse of > > sexuality > > > > > and gender we cannot stop doing something like this at the same time. > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 3:54 PM, venukm <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > Well, we may do well to ask the organizations, or the personalities > > > > > > presiding the pennkodathi these questions: > > > > > > Do they really like to see women of Kerala ever having autonomy > > over > > > > > > their bodies ? > > > > > > Even while we find chapters of peedanam unending here in Kerala, > > are > > > > > > we confident enough to be able in any near future, to stop seeing > > > > > > women of Kerala just as victims of 'peedanam'? > > > > > > When will we able to find them as active individuals/ > > collectivities > > > > > > fighting , challenging the male regime of gender and sexuality on > > the > > > > > > one hand, and demanding progressive reforms in education about sex > > and > > > > > > reproduction on the other? > > > > > > When will we/ they be able to take on this essentially anti-woman, > > ... > > read more » --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Green Youth Movement" group. 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