in caste case,nobody forgets the role of endogamy.white boss-white working class unity has an unity(left business observer).like wise,indin context,textile mills of mumbai has a clear divison between upper caste workers and dalit workers. and also caste stystem can be turned to be a communitarian political mobilisation like bsp's sarvajan.a new radical communitarian approach is here like in an ethnic politcal mobilisation of western countries. it rejects any upper-lower divison. now cpim has a political advancement in rajastan.again,they have failed to rraise the land less peasants realities.dalits are going to outside their new non-leninist approach(rural proletariat).an interesting political turn.
--- On Thu, 2/4/09, ranju radha <[email protected]> wrote: > From: ranju radha <[email protected]> > Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: Fwd: Slums of India.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > To: [email protected] > Date: Thursday, 2 April, 2009, 5:29 PM > moreover, how can one forget > racism and gender inequalities... > > > > > On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 4:53 PM, > Afthab Ellath <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > "But in the christian west (atleast in > United states ), this notion of hierarchy is replaced by > ideas of individuality where nobody is given partcular > respect or recognition based on their occupation" > > > Sreenivas, do you know any thing about US prison > statistics? > > Afthab Ellath > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 3:52 AM, > sreenivas v.p <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > Hello Bobby , > > Traditional societies have the specific > characteristic that they do not think of man as an > individual , but rather as a member of a collectivity . > overall ordear of the society is of supreme value , not for > individual liberty . So specifically in the indian context > , continuation of this hierarchical ranking (as hierarchy > as the indian notion of equality) is achieved through > division of occupation . > > And i agree with you on the point that christinaity is > not much better in this regard( Dalits converted into > christianity in south india were forced to come back to > hinduism because of the extreme caste based descrimination > in that religion) . > > > But in the christian west (atleast in United states ), > this notion of hierarchy is replaced by ideas of > individuality where nobody is given partcular respect or > recognition based on > their occupation . > > Note : my ideas of athiesm originated from the fact > that an imaginary master is not essential to lead a > peaceful , happy life . I am not bothered about > the nonsense called religion . But i had to struggle a > lot to escape from the shackles of the religion which i > was born: hinduism . > > > sreenivas > > --- On Wed, 1/4/09, Bobby Kunhu <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > From: Bobby Kunhu <[email protected]> > Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: Fwd: Slums of > India.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > To: [email protected] > Date: Wednesday, 1 April, 2009, 9:08 PM > > > Dear Sreenivas > try working this out at the opposite end - repression > used as a tool for occupational heredity. > > caste and community might work just based on > heredity in the south asian context regardless of religion - > your fav religion christianity might be the biggest culprit > in that context (i am aware of your athiesm) > > Warmly > > > 2009/4/1 sreenivas v.p <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > but occupation is used as a tool of repression. the hindu > notion of "dharma " > was does not signify "duty" but the > economic and political superiority of the high caste > over low caste. considering caste system as way of > economic exploitation , there is relation between occupation > and caste . > > > > > > > , 31/3/09, ranju radha <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > From: ranju radha <[email protected]> > Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: Fwd: Slums of > India.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > To: [email protected] > Date: Tuesday, 31 March, 2009, 9:07 PM > > > > > > > > caste has very little to do with occuppation, i > think > that s why a Brahmin Director of IIT like Indiresan > and a Brahmin beggar in the strets believe that they are > superior and meritorious and practise it religiously > > one can even observe how Brahmin subordinates behave > with Dalit/OBC bosses.. > so typical EMSisn way of looking at caste will lead to > Katju only > unfortunately, we have more katjus around > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 5:15 PM, C.K. Vishwanath > <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > justice katju's position is like dipankar gupta...a > dominant trend of indian society-----caste has lost its > traditional role ,politicians use it for vested interests > ,caste and its relation with occuption is changing. > > > > > > --- On Tue, 31/3/09, ranju radha <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > From: ranju radha <[email protected]> > > > Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: Fwd: Slums of > India.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > To: [email protected] > > > Date: Tuesday, 31 March, 2009, 4:56 PM > > > by the by, sanjeev, why do u > > think that all the "anti-social" elements > > will have a membersship in greenyouth? > (....hahaha..).. > > > > > > in fact this Katju is that katju who wrote series of > > > artcles in The Hindu elaboratig the greatness of > caste > > system! > > > > great secularist indeed!! > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 2:22 PM, S > > sanjeev <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is this katju guy a > > member of greenyouth? > > remember, the debate > > here sometime ago that bearded guys are anti-social > elements > > who live in utopia:-) > > > > > --- On Tue, 31/3/09, ranju radha <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > From: ranju radha <[email protected]> > > > > > > Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: Fwd: Slums of > > > India.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > > > To: [email protected] > > Date: Tuesday, 31 March, 2009, 10:24 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in fact, even indian > > judiciary wont let you claim that > > status. > > see justice KAtju's > > brahimnical secular stand that stereotypes > > 'muslim' > > > pathetic! > > > > > > > > > > http://www.hindu.com/2009/03/31/stories/2009033159561000.htm > > > > > > > > > > > Secularism > > cannot be overstretched: Justice Katju > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > New Delhi: Rejecting the plea of a Muslim student > that > > > he should be permitted to sport beard in his convent > school, > > the Supreme Court on Monday observed that secularism > could > > not be overstretched and “Talibanisation” of the > country > > could not be permitted. > > > > > “We don’t want to have Talibans in the country. > > Tomorrow a girl student may come and say that she > wants to > > wear a burqa. Can we allow it,” asked Justice > Markandey > > Katju, speaking for a Bench headed by Justice > Raveendran. > > > Asserting that he was a secularist to the core, > Justice > > Katju, however, said religious beliefs could not be > > overstretched. “I am secularist. We should strike a > > balance between rights and personal beliefs. We > cannot > > > overstretch secularism.” > > Plea dismissed > > > > > > Justice Katju made these observations while > dismissing > > the petition by Mohammad Salim of the Nirmala Convent > Higher > > Secondary School, a government-recognised minority > > > institution in Madhya Pradesh, for quashing its > regulation > > requiring students to be clean shaven. Challenging a > Madhya > > Pradesh High Court verdict that earlier dismissed his > plea, > > Salim said every citizen was entitled to follow his > > > religious principles and no one should restrain him > from > > doing so in a secular country. > > > > Salim’s counsel Justice (retired) B.A. Khan argued > > that sporting a beard was an indispensable part of > Islam. > > > > > “But you [Justice Khan] don’t sport a beard,” > > Justice Katju told counsel. > > The court then said a minority institution had its > own > > set of rules and rights provided by Article 30 of the > > > Constitution and the same could not be breached by > any > > person. “If there are rules you have to obey. You > can’t > > say that I will not wear a uniform I will [wear] only > a > > burqa,” the Bench observed. > > > > > The court said if the student was not interested in > > following the rules he would have the option of > joining some > > other institution. “But you can’t ask the school > to > > change the rules for you.” — PTI > > > > > > > > > > > > - Dr B.R. Ambedkar, Mahad Satyagraha Conference, > December > > 25th , 1927 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! > Go to http://messenger.yahoo.com/invite/ > > > > > > > > > > > - Dr B.R. Ambedkar, Mahad Satyagraha Conference, December > 25th , 1927 > > > > > > Bollywood news, movie reviews, film trailers and more! Click > here. > > > > > > > > -- > Bobby Kunhu http://community.eldis.org/myshkin/Blog/ > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite > them now. > > > > > > > > - Dr B.R. 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