Dear Sreenivastry working this out at the opposite end - repression used as a tool for occupational heredity. caste and community might work just based on heredity in the south asian context regardless of religion - your fav religion christianity might be the biggest culprit in that context (i am aware of your athiesm) Warmly
2009/4/1 sreenivas v.p <[email protected]> > > but occupation is used as a tool of repression. the hindu notion of "dharma > " > was does not signify "duty" but the economic and political superiority of > the high caste > over low caste. considering caste system as way of economic exploitation , > there is relation between occupation and caste . > > > > *, 31/3/09, ranju radha <[email protected]>* wrote: > > > From: ranju radha <[email protected]> > Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: Fwd: Slums of India.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > To: [email protected] > Date: Tuesday, 31 March, 2009, 9:07 PM > > > caste has very little to do with occuppation, i think > that s why a Brahmin Director of IIT like Indiresan and a Brahmin beggar in > the strets believe that they are superior and meritorious and practise it > religiously > > one can even observe how Brahmin subordinates behave with Dalit/OBC > bosses.. > so typical EMSisn way of looking at caste will lead to Katju only > unfortunately, we have more katjus around > > > > > On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 5:15 PM, C.K. Vishwanath < > [email protected]<http://in.mc87.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > > wrote: > >> >> >> justice katju's position is like dipankar gupta...a dominant trend of >> indian society-----caste has lost its traditional role ,politicians use it >> for vested interests ,caste and its relation with occuption is changing. >> >> >> >> --- On Tue, 31/3/09, ranju radha >> <[email protected]<http://in.mc87.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>> >> wrote: >> >> > From: ranju radha >> > <[email protected]<http://in.mc87.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >> > >> > Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: Fwd: Slums of India.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >> > To: >> > [email protected]<http://in.mc87.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >> > Date: Tuesday, 31 March, 2009, 4:56 PM >> > by the by, sanjeev, why do u >> > think that all the "anti-social" elements >> > will have a membersship in greenyouth? (....hahaha..).. >> > >> > >> > in fact this Katju is that katju who wrote series of >> > artcles in The Hindu elaboratig the greatness of caste >> > system! >> > >> > great secularist indeed!! >> > >> > >> > On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 2:22 PM, S >> > sanjeev >> > <[email protected]<http://in.mc87.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >> > >> > wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > is this katju guy a >> > member of greenyouth? >> > remember, the debate >> > here sometime ago that bearded guys are anti-social elements >> > who live in utopia:-) >> > >> > --- On Tue, 31/3/09, ranju radha >> > <[email protected]<http://in.mc87.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >> > >> > wrote: >> > >> > >> > From: ranju radha >> > <[email protected]<http://in.mc87.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >> > >> > >> > >> > Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: Fwd: Slums of >> > India.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >> > To: >> [email protected]<http://in.mc87.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >> > Date: Tuesday, 31 March, 2009, 10:24 AM >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > in fact, even indian >> > judiciary wont let you claim that >> > status. >> > see justice KAtju's >> > brahimnical secular stand that stereotypes >> > 'muslim' >> > pathetic! >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > http://www.hindu.com/2009/03/31/stories/2009033159561000.htm >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Secularism >> > cannot be overstretched: Justice Katju >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > New Delhi: Rejecting the plea of a Muslim student that >> > he should be permitted to sport beard in his convent school, >> > the Supreme Court on Monday observed that secularism could >> > not be overstretched and “Talibanisation” of the country >> > could not be permitted. >> > >> > “We don’t want to have Talibans in the country. >> > Tomorrow a girl student may come and say that she wants to >> > wear a burqa. Can we allow it,” asked Justice Markandey >> > Katju, speaking for a Bench headed by Justice Raveendran. >> > Asserting that he was a secularist to the core, Justice >> > Katju, however, said religious beliefs could not be >> > overstretched. “I am secularist. We should strike a >> > balance between rights and personal beliefs. We cannot >> > overstretch secularism.” >> > Plea dismissed >> > >> > >> > Justice Katju made these observations while dismissing >> > the petition by Mohammad Salim of the Nirmala Convent Higher >> > Secondary School, a government-recognised minority >> > institution in Madhya Pradesh, for quashing its regulation >> > requiring students to be clean shaven. Challenging a Madhya >> > Pradesh High Court verdict that earlier dismissed his plea, >> > Salim said every citizen was entitled to follow his >> > religious principles and no one should restrain him from >> > doing so in a secular country. >> > >> > Salim’s counsel Justice (retired) B.A. Khan argued >> > that sporting a beard was an indispensable part of Islam. >> > >> > “But you [Justice Khan] don’t sport a beard,” >> > Justice Katju told counsel. >> > The court then said a minority institution had its own >> > set of rules and rights provided by Article 30 of the >> > Constitution and the same could not be breached by any >> > person. “If there are rules you have to obey. You can’t >> > say that I will not wear a uniform I will [wear] only a >> > burqa,” the Bench observed. >> > >> > The court said if the student was not interested in >> > following the rules he would have the option of joining some >> > other institution. “But you can’t ask the school to >> > change the rules for you.” — PTI >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > - Dr B.R. Ambedkar, Mahad Satyagraha Conference, December >> > 25th , 1927 >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to >> http://messenger.yahoo.com/invite/ >> >> >> >> - Dr B.R. Ambedkar, Mahad Satyagraha Conference, December 25th , 1927 >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> Bollywood news, movie reviews, film trailers and more! 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