On Oct 2, 2012, at 5:23 PM, Russ White <[email protected]> wrote:

>>> 
>>> - Path information is lost.  While this doesn't impact loop prevention, this
>>>  information is operationally useful.
>> 
>> +1.  Reachability data optimisation is highly desirable and may one day be
>> necessary, but this is one of the wrong places to do it.
> 
> Again, I'm a bit baffled. Can you explain how this draft actually
> removes reachability optimization in the DFZ? It's carefully crafted NOT
> to remove any reachability information that produces a shorter path.
> 
> I know the chairs have already (short sightedly, IMHO), decided not to
> accept this draft as a WG item, but I'd really like to understand what
> specific situation you can draw up where the proposed mechanism
> increases the stretch in any path.

Russ,

The problem as I see it is many of those that operate in the BGP/DFZ don't know 
what they are doing.

This makes solving these problems infinitely more complex compared to how they 
should be if everyone was sane.


58.64.162.0/24   2497 701 6453 45474 174 17444 

is a great example for me and easily observed (even if just as a transitory 
announcement).

I see this in my router, but the above leaked out...

*>i58.64.160.0/19     x.x.x.x                120      0 17444 17444 17444 17444 
17444 17444 17444 i

Not only did the above route look disgusting for the as_path, but there should 
have been some better covering prefixes appear perhaps?

Anyways, you can't make people route sanely and the ISPs have a hard time 
rejecting the money people want to pay for the extra flexibility.

- Jared
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