On Sunday, January 8, 2012 at 1:59 AM, Phat Bob wrote:

> 
> 
> On 7 Jan 2012, at 22:04, smajor <[email protected] 
> (mailto:[email protected])> wrote:
> 
> > On Saturday, January 7, 2012 2:27:26 PM UTC-5, phat bob wrote:
> > > 
> > > Please define "tons".  1.3.2 added two new displays which broke Growl 
> > > when run on case-sensitive filesystems.
> > 
> > Read the changelog to start: 
> > http://growl.info/documentation/version_history.php  A little bit more than 
> > two broken styles, although maybe "pounds" instead of "tons."
> > 
> > Visit the googlecode site and check out the "Issues" area for another. You 
> > can see if your issue might be addressed in an upcoming update. Shouldn't 
> > be too much trouble for a dev to find their way around. 
> > 
> > Its admirable that you want to support the devs but I spent a number of 
> > unpaid weekends trying to get 1.3.1 working before eventually rolling it 
> > off 50 machines and putting 1.2.2 back  - during which time putting up with 
> > the abuse and heckling from my users.
> > 
> > I guess that'll teach me to use "free" software then?  Oh, hang on, 1.3.x 
> > is the paid for version isn't it? :)
> >  
> > As someone who is co-support for 1,400+ computers at a University, your 
> > long weekends are, respectfully, your own fault.  We'd NEVER roll out 
> > software to 50, 100 or 500 machines without testing!  
> 
> I should have pointed out that the 50 users were the PoC team - we have 500 
> users running Growl.  They still moan and grumble like real users though.
> 
> My main frustration is that Growl simply broke comparability with almost all 
> applications and the view from the developers is "meh, fix it yourself".  We 
> have a bunch of in-house applications, all of which would have required 
> updating simply to support 1.3.x - something we don't have a business case 
> for.
> 
> We're now back on 1.2.2 and actively looking for an alternative to Growl.  
> This isn't a threat or flame, by the way; just the way it is...
> 

Do these applications not use the framework? 

 
> > Be it Adobe CS, Office, or something comparatively trivial as an FTP client 
> > or, yes, even Growl. Even though it's been out a little while now, and it's 
> > been rolled into my 10.7 master image, it's STILL in limited deployment 
> > undergoing some testing.  I'm comfortable enough with what I've seen that 
> > it will make it into my summer faculty replacement cycle which will 
> > encompass many more computers.
> 
> We're private sector so have to justify any expenditure and upgrading 12 apps 
> simply because some middleware has broken things doesn't stack up.
> 
> > 
> > As an aside, you might want to look at Remote Desktop and the task server 
> > feature. While you might have lost a weekend; maybe only 1/2 of one, you 
> > could have automated the shuffling around of Growl. Task it to run the 
> > switch as each user's computer becomes visible, assuming you're not in a 
> > position to have them all running and on the net at the same time.
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