On 8 Jan 2012, at 08:11, Chris Forsythe <[email protected]> wrote:

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> On Sunday, January 8, 2012 at 1:59 AM, Phat Bob wrote:
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>> On 7 Jan 2012, at 22:04, smajor <[email protected]> wrote:
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>>> On Saturday, January 7, 2012 2:27:26 PM UTC-5, phat bob wrote:
>>> 
>>> Please define "tons".  1.3.2 added two new displays which broke Growl when 
>>> run on case-sensitive filesystems.
>>> 
>>> Read the changelog to start: 
>>> http://growl.info/documentation/version_history.php  A little bit more than 
>>> two broken styles, although maybe "pounds" instead of "tons."
>>> 
>>> Visit the googlecode site and check out the "Issues" area for another. You 
>>> can see if your issue might be addressed in an upcoming update. Shouldn't 
>>> be too much trouble for a dev to find their way around. 
>>> 
>>> Its admirable that you want to support the devs but I spent a number of 
>>> unpaid weekends trying to get 1.3.1 working before eventually rolling it 
>>> off 50 machines and putting 1.2.2 back  - during which time putting up with 
>>> the abuse and heckling from my users.
>>> 
>>> I guess that'll teach me to use "free" software then?  Oh, hang on, 1.3.x 
>>> is the paid for version isn't it? :)
>>>  
>>> As someone who is co-support for 1,400+ computers at a University, your 
>>> long weekends are, respectfully, your own fault.  We'd NEVER roll out 
>>> software to 50, 100 or 500 machines without testing! 
>> 
>> I should have pointed out that the 50 users were the PoC team - we have 500 
>> users running Growl.  They still moan and grumble like real users though.
>> 
>> My main frustration is that Growl simply broke comparability with almost all 
>> applications and the view from the developers is "meh, fix it yourself".  We 
>> have a bunch of in-house applications, all of which would have required 
>> updating simply to support 1.3.x - something we don't have a business case 
>> for.
>> 
>> We're now back on 1.2.2 and actively looking for an alternative to Growl.  
>> This isn't a threat or flame, by the way; just the way it is...
>> 
> 
> Do these applications not use the framework? 
> 
>  
>>> Be it Adobe CS, Office, or something comparatively trivial as an FTP client 
>>> or, yes, even Growl. Even though it's been out a little while now, and it's 
>>> been rolled into my 10.7 master image, it's STILL in limited deployment 
>>> undergoing some testing.  I'm comfortable enough with what I've seen that 
>>> it will make it into my summer faculty replacement cycle which will 
>>> encompass many more computers.
>> 
>> We're private sector so have to justify any expenditure and upgrading 12 
>> apps simply because some middleware has broken things doesn't stack up.
>> 
>>> 
>>> As an aside, you might want to look at Remote Desktop and the task server 
>>> feature. While you might have lost a weekend; maybe only 1/2 of one, you 
>>> could have automated the shuffling around of Growl. Task it to run the 
>>> switch as each user's computer becomes visible, assuming you're not in a 
>>> position to have them all running and on the net at the same time.
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