Guys,

For the last few months I have been living with and trying to solve
injector problems on a different vehicle, not my GTS.  I think some of
things I have learned, the hard way.  This information may be helpful.

The vehicle involved is my 1988-Porsche 928 S4.  In many ways it is much
like the GTS, never really caught on with general public, but it is one of
the finest touring machines ever made.  In fact I like it so much, I own two
a 1980 and 1988 ; both bought new and held on to.  Back to my point.  They
both sat in storage for nearly 7 years.  I did nothing to prepare them; ie:
like drain the gas or put them up on blocks. I know stupid.........:>)

The problems I am now living with in trying to bring these machines back to
life is a magnification of what happens when allowing any vehicle sit for
months over the winter when being used.  Obviously with the cars, the tires
are shot.  They develop flat spots so bad that have a flatspot memory no
amount of driving will ever make them round.  New tires solved that problem.
But, the real problem is the fuel system.

Gasoline has waxes, impurities, and additive that separate out when allowed
to sit.  They will coat everything inside the system when any vehicle is
allowed to sit without use. I have probably used a couple gallons of fuel
additives over the last 5,000 miles trying, not very successfully  to clean
up my 928  fuel system up. The injectors sometimes work and sometimes don't
as pieces of coating crap breaks loose from inside the system.  One day the
car will start fine, the next day I need to crank the hell out of it because
it is flooded from an injector getting crap in it and hanging up.   I just
replaced all the injectors...that worked well for about an week and now the
problem is starting all over again.  I'm getting ready to drop the tank and
clean it by hand and install another  new fuel filter.  The tank is plastic
so rust is not the problem.  I may have to replace all the fuel lines before
I am through.

My point is old gasoline can play hell with any fuel system, including the
one in a GTS.  Sitting over a single winter won't cause the degree of
problems I am experiencing from my own neglect on the 928's,  but sure isn't
good for the bike.  The injector openings on the GTS are probably a fraction
of the opening on the Bosch injector for the 928.  The GTS injectors are
probably even more susceptible to partial plugging that will cause engine
surging and other problems.

I had some interesting discussion on the topic of additives on the 928 list
as I asked for help.   One I found of particular interest. It was from a guy
that worked for a gasoline additive manufacturer.  In his dissertation on
the topic he pointed out things I did not realize.

1.  Most additives don't work.  2. There two basic types of additives,
aromatic(solvent) and detergent.  Based on extensive testing he only
recommends aromatic.  It dissolves the build up where detergent have a
tendency to break it up.  Below are some of his comments on the topic.......

My point in bringing all of this up is to make the GTS owners that are
experiencing some surging aware that the problem may be more easily
addressed with proper storage and adding a can of the proper additive in the
spring to clean up the injectors and fuel system.  GOOD LUCK

Hawke


COMMENTS FROM AN EXPERT
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 I work in the petrochemical industry and have been involved in exhaustive
tests of just about every additive under the sun. For varnish and carbon
build-up. I recommend a SOLVENT based fuel cleaner containing any of the
following:

isobuytanol, methanol, Methyl Ethyl Ketone.

read the back of the bottles of the additives you're shopping for. I am
biased in the fact of recommending Justice Brothers Injector cleaner as I
represent that company. As our product range is not widely available in
retail outlets, you may not be able to find it in your area. I will share
with you though that Ford manufactures an excellent top engine cleaner
called "Carburetor Tune-up" (don't worry about the carb. part on the label,
it's an excellent product). This product is not available at every Ford
establishment but it is out there. It's a liquid that you add to your fuel
system. Do not mistake this for the other ford injector cleaners or their
pressurized fuel service. At about $4.00 a can, it performs very well (next
to ours of course!). Mitsubishi also has an excellent Fuel injector cleaner
that is manufactired for them. Read the labels on the back of Redline,
techron, BG, etc. They are detergent based cleaners and we have found they
do not perform nearly as well as a solvent based cleaner in our testing.
These products are based upon petroleum aromatics, Tolulene, benzene,
trimethylchloride, polyetheramine. I recommend you don't bother with stuff
you find at Pep Boys as we have not yet tested a product that perfomed very
well. One trick that is done is to use a vacuum line to "suck" SMALL amounts
of cleaner in to remove carbon build-up on valves. Works great, smells
awful! If you're not convinced, burn a small amount of gas in a bowl. when
it's done burning, you'll see the carbon and varnish left. Pour ANY of the
detergent stuff (techron, redline, etc.) in the bowl and see what it does.
Try the same test with any solvent based cleaner I recommended. You can see
for yourself the difference in the way each works!

I would not worry too much about putting a petrochemical solvent in the fuel
system. Gasoline in the US contains about 29% aromatics - petrochemical
solvents (toluene, etc) used for octane boosting (among other things, as I
recall). Gasoline in the land of Porsche contains even 10% more aromatics
than the gas we use. And a racer's trick, that has been in use forever, is
to mix even more Toluene in the gas to raise the octane.

The same does NOT apply for alcohol - this can wreak havoc on older "rubber"
parts not designed for it. However, since gas in many states has contained
ethanol for many years now, most of the newer parts are designed to tolerate
it. (Technology marches on...)

"Automobile manufacturers upgraded fuel system elastomers ay different
times. Elastomers in pre-1975 vehicles may be sensitive to oxygenated and
high-aromatic gasolines, including alcohols. Elastomers in 1975 10 1980
vehicles were upgraded, but not to the same extent as in later models"
(Changes in Gasoline II, Downstream Alternatives, Bremen, 1998). The problem
that was found with alcohol based oxygenates was in a problem called phase
seperation. When alcohols were used as an oxygenate (i.e. ethanol) they
would seperate from the gasoline given extended storage time in gas storage
containers. Phase seperation of alcohols (water) can cause corrosion
problems in transfer pipelines but is not a big factor in your car. Unless
you are storing your vehicle for extended periods.

Here's a test you can try. Get some o-rings and soak them in for example our
IC/15 fuel injection cleaner (  Moss). In our testing, we dozens of various
o-ring and seals soaking them in straight additive for nearly 15 days. We
found no disintegration, degredation, or hardening of any of the rubber. Not
true for some origional vacuum line off a mid-70's TR6 I had, Were we found
moderate swelling. Try the same test with an additive that contains benzene,
yikes! the alcohol complaints you hear are typically carryover's from older
mechanics that dealt with the more obsolete rubber compounds. Sort of like
my dad telling me to using the engine to assist in braking. You needed to do
that when cars were equipped with 8" drum brakes all around. I know I'd
rather replace pads than a worn engine from the increased loading.

As far as sucking in the cleaner through a vacuum line. We use an I.V.
bottle to regulate a small flow of cleaner into the intake of the vehicle.
What you could use is just a small vacuum line from the intake to do the
same thing. When i say a small amount, I actuallly mean to suck it in
slowly. Liquids, as we are well aware, are not compressable and intake
manifolds are designed for gases, not liquids. If you try to draw in too
much, you may stall the vehicle. Worse, there is a remote possiblity of
hydrostaticly locking a cylinder ($$$). Just be careful and slowly draw in a
small amount, you'll be fine.

Oh, by the way, I would not recommed the Justice Brothers stuff in plastic
bottles. Only use the stuff in metal cans like IC/15. The stuff in the
bottles just don't work as well as they are a different formula. They were
made for quick lubes and service stations. Just being honest!
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