RE: FW: 7.1 stability problems

Tue, 14 Jul 2009 05:31:35 -0700

Snowy's script probably started off something like Aaron's script and grew to what it is now, 
something you can practically make a custom interface with,
when I last took Aaron's script for a test run, I found the failure and crash rate to be rather high with the stuff I threw at it, I suggested he take a look at the competition to maybe get some ideas, to my way of thinking if you want to be better than your competition, you should know what they're doing.
I would love to be able to create custom tab orders with window-eyes, and do all the things you can with hsc. 

NOt being a programmer, it's hard for me to explain to one how this is done.
But snowy's stuff is free for anyone to look at and free for developers, and something like this if hotspot grew in to this kind of mature app would be a real shot in the arm for window-eyes for these kinds of apps where we have to access graphical interfaces with bit-mapped images and controls like in vsp plug-in windows and such in the kind of work I do in the studio. 



At 04:08 AM 7/14/2009, you wrote:
Um window-eyes already has a hot spot clicker. Go get it and use it and then tell gw micro what else you would like it to do.! 

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-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Belle [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 1:01 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: FW: 7.1 stability problems

Hmmmm, now this is very interesting.

I was told that there were some very minor changes in setfiles to
improve them but they shouldn't break.

If setfiles get broken this bad and if this is a known thing or
something that is a sacrifice for the better from an engineering
stand-point, then something should be put in the readme to the
effect, because it's not minor, it's major, because lots of hard work
can be hosed.

There wasn't enough follow-through or attention given to this last
year when this should have been addressed.

For us non-programmer types, setfile creation is the closest thing to
a configurable environment we have, maybe until scripting grows up to
where window-eyes gets something as comprehensive and powerful as say
the Snowman's hotspot clicker, for jaws, smile.


At 03:22 PM 7/13/2009, you wrote:
>I have an idea, the coordinates might be different by a few pixels,
>but the way set files are associated has changed from 6.1 to 7.1 very
>greatly, so you will have to do the associations all over again.
>
>Hope this helps.
>
>on Monday 07/13/2009 Chris Belle([email protected]) wrote
>  > Hi Chip?
>  >
>  > I did do exactly what you suggested, and got no where.
>  >
>  > I have since been able to duplicate this problem with a competent
>  > technician colleague who I work with regularly, this morning as a
>  > matter of fact.
>  >
>  > Sure enough, setfiles that work well for soundforge 7b with we 6.1
>  > will break badly under we7 and not load correctly, hyperactive window
>  > cordinates will be messed up, and associations for loading will
> be messed up.
>  >
>  > I was told that this was probably something specific to my machine.
>  >
>  > Now I have good evidence that it is not so and that window-eyes
> is at fault.
>  >
>  >          At 11:18 AM 7/13/2009, you wrote:
> > >why don't you send the set files to support, with a detailed explanation 
>  > >of how things work under 6.1, and a detailed explanation of what it
>  > >takes to see they're broken under 7.1?
>  > >
>  > >
>  > >
>  > >
>  > >
>  > >
>  > >------------------------------
>  > >
>  > >Chip Orange
>  > >Database Administrator
>  > >Florida Public Service Commission
>  > >
>  > >[email protected]
>  > >(850) 413-6314
>  > >
>  > >  (Any opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not
>  > >necessarily reflect those of the Florida Public Service Commission.)
>  > >
>  > >
>  > > > -----Original Message-----
>  > > > From: Chris Belle [mailto:[email protected]]
>  > > > Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 1:10 AM
>  > > > To: [email protected]
>  > > > Subject: Re: FW: 7.1 stability problems
>  > > >
>  > > > I've gotten the same here on several ocasions.
>  > > >
>  > > > After abandoning we 7.0 in frustration because of a failure to
> > > > communicate to gwmicro my issues for various reasons I won't go in to 
>  > > > here, I decided to give we7.1 a test drive.
>  > > >
>  > > > To their credit, one issue that's seems to have been resolved is the
>  > > > drag and drop issue, it now seems to be working.
>  > > >
>  > > > This was broken in the we7 release.
>  > > >
>  > > > My test drive of it with levelator with we7.1 seems to work now.
>  > > >
>  > > > One very serious problem I am having with we since the whole we7
>  > > > cycle began is the issue of  setfiles being broken between
>  > > > we6.1 and we7.
>  > > >
>  > > > I have some very extensive and very well written soundforge setfiles
>  > > > written by my good friend Tom Kingston whom I beta tested for
>  > > > last year.
>  > > >
>  > > > These setfiles add a lot of functionallity and usability to
> > > > soundforge 8, and I modifyed them to work with my prefered soundforge 
>  > > > 7 installation.
>  > > >
>  > > > When I upgraded to we7 in any of it's incarnations, these setfiles
>  > > > neither load correctly, and window cordinates are messed up, and all
>  > > > kinds of strange things happen.
>  > > >
> > > > I've had some very brief conversation with gwmicro over this but have 
>  > > > never gotten this satisfactorily addressed.
>  > > >
>  > > > There is no change with we7.1, the setfiles are still very broken.
>  > > >
>  > > > The basic structure of the setfiles is this, there are two loader
>  > > > sets which are associated with different modules in soundforge, and
>  > > > hyperactive windows will trigger and load the appropriate setfile as
> > > > needed for any given window, so when you want to create a new setfile 
>  > > > for a new part of the forge, you just make a new setfile and load it
>  > > > with a hyperactive window from one of the loader sets.
>  > > >
>  > > > Pretty slick, kind of what I used to do with the ram locations with
>  > > > vocal-eyes and branching remember when we only had 10 hyperactive
>  > > > windows, my have we come a long way.
>  > > >
>  > > >   something changed in we7 which broke these setfiles.
>  > > >
>  > > > Any enlightening information would be appreciated.
>  > > >
>  > > > Regards.
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > >          At 04:36 PM 7/12/2009, you wrote:
> > > > >I am having the same problem. If you move around to quick in windows 
>  > > > >explorer or internet explorer w e will crash.
>  > > > >
>  > > > >Edward
>  > > > >
>  > > > >
>  > > > >-----Original Message-----
>  > > > >From: Chip Orange [mailto:[email protected]]
>  > > > >Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 3:29 PM
>  > > > >To: [email protected]
>  > > > >Subject: RE: 7.1 stability problems
>  > > > >
>  > > > >Yes, Bill, I was; then I switched to dec-talk access 32,
>  > > > from Eloquence, and
>  > > > >things do seem much better.  why not try that and see if it
>  > > > makes a big
>  > > > >difference; it will help them a lot, in tracking it down, if
>  > > > you find this
>  > > > >out.
>  > > > >
>  > > > >Chip
>  > > > >
>  > > > >
>  > > > >-----Original Message-----
>  > > > >From: Bill Holton [mailto:[email protected]]
>  > > > >Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 2:32 PM
>  > > > >To: [email protected]
>  > > > >Subject: 7.1 stability problems
>  > > > >
>  > > > >Hi.
>  > > > >
>  > > > >Is anyone else having trouble with 7.1 when you start moving
>  > > > fast around the
>  > > > >computer?  I have WE 7.1 stop talking on both my XP and
>  > > > Vista machines, both
>  > > > >using eloquence, if I start keying around too fast with
>  > > > either Windows keys
>  > > > >or WE hotkeys.  The rest of the sounds on the PC work fine,
>  > > > and it's not
>  > > > >locking up, but it takes speech about ten seconds to start
>  > > > again.  Other
>  > > > >times it doesn't start again, and the only way to get WE
>  > > > back is to do a
>  > > > >hard reset.
>  > > > >
>  > > > >On my Vista machine, I also have a problem I have had ever
>  > > > since I started
>  > > > >using Vista, only now it happens more frequently.  Speech
>  > > > will die, the
>  > > > >other sounds are working fine, and the only way to get WE
>  > > > back is to turn
>  > > > >the machine off or do a start menu restart.  Then, just
>  > > > before Windows shuts
>  > > > >down, the speech comes back fine, for about two seconds,
>  > > > then the machine is
>  > > > >restarted.  This is very frustrating.  Anyone else having
>  > > > this situation?
>  > > > >
>  > > > >Thanks.  Bill
>  > > > >
>  > > > >Bill
>  > > > >
>  > > > >
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