Well, I sure don't know everything.
I'll be the first to admit that.
I'm in school everyday in one way or another.
At 08:30 PM 7/31/2009, you wrote:
The point best made here is that anybody who trys to show off as
though they know everything there is to know about any computer just
proved how little he knows. In today's world that isn't
possible. so, anybody who tries to make that claim or put up that
impression needs only to be told to "get a life". Of course, it is
usually the programmer types who know little more about a computer
than how to program in a language or two that want the world to
believe that they know it all. But, I have some of the dumbest
statements about computers from programmers.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Belle" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 11:02 PM
Subject: Re: Window eyes and 64bit systems
Right back at ya dude, you don't know crap about the applications I
use, 64 bit does matter when you need to load big sample libraries
and have access to more than 4 gb of memory.
My main program has been 64 bit for several years now, and no not a
programmer, but I read white papers, and do a lot of study and
reading, I came up in the command line days, and I install windows
on my own systems and do my own teching, so I'm not stupid about computers.
I've restored and resurrected many machines, and any particulars I
don't know I can find out about.
I'll go look up that term you mentioned, but in general, if I had
to guess, it probably has to do with the fact that most 32 bit
programs don't use more than 2 gigs of memory effectively anyway,
and even xp doesn't address the full 4 gigs of memory in the same
way in a 32 bit environment.
That's why I didn't bother putting 4 gigs in this machine.
I also know that until all the 64 bit apps grow up, my third party
vst plug-ins, etc, that if we have a hybrid situation, then we
won't realize the full benefits of 64 bit.
Remember in windows 95 and 98 when things that ran well under
windows 3.1 actually ran slower?
Translation going on, I understand about that.
But some things are mature and happening now, like these 64 bit
machines that are running daw software and are able to load huge
sample libraries in to memory for
quick access.
I have technician friends who are running 64 bit systems mac folks,
and vista 64 folks, and they keep me posted about stuff.
It's we in the blind community who are lagging behind and sucking
hind tit so to speak.
So you couldn't put a track together and produce an album so who's
stupid now?
We all have different gifts, and I know enough about computing to
do my craft and also make a few bucks here and there fixing up
people's computers when they bring them to me.
So any term I need to know
ahci mode, efi,
it doesn't matter, I can and do go study about it and learn.
So you threw a term at me I wasn't readily familiar with, big deal,
I work with technology every day you'd have no idea which end was up.
I'm very proud of the independance and freedom I've gained from
working with these machines, I use legacy hard-ware and software to
help me tech even on newer machines, and your the worst jerk for
trying to make me look stupid because there's no shame in being
ignorant, only in remaining ignorant and I'm smart enough to go
find out and I'm very intuitive, I've make calls on problems with
systems techs have worked on for hours, and
I'd say, hey, change out the video card and see what happens, and
how about it, things work right?
So sometimes with this stuff, it's common sense, and seeing the big picture.
I've seen so many programmers who couldn't understand anything
unless it was laid out in a logic sequence.
But some times problems are solved by thinking outside the box, and
doing something different.
At 10:31 PM 7/30/2009, you wrote:
Well, I have read your two posts and your words make your lips
sound like a flapping flat tire. Not sure what your expertise is
but one thing I know is that you do not have any more of an
investment in GW Micro than anyone else on this list so why do you
think you are so special as to feel an entitlement. The software
business is not an easy one and I feel you and a few others on
this list have no idea of how difficult things can be in this bad
economic time. And to your point about 32 bit verses 64 bit and
what GW micro did or didn't do. Gw Micro realized that many of
its users didn't have, and probably wouldn't have, 64 hardware
when they had to make a decision about which way to go. They also
realize like many other software vendors, that you can't just
break the whole user base that you have built. Even Microsoft had
to make the same decision when they decided to release
Vista. And, just in case you don't know, and I would bet you
don't, even Sun Microsystems did not have 64 bit Java when We was
released. It has only been abailble for a couple of
months. And, for your assertion that 64 bit software runs so
much faster than 32 bit software, I can tell you that the machine
on which i am writing is a 32 bit machine and my brother-in-law
has one almost exactly like this one but with the 64 bit OS and 4
verses 2 GB, and I can tel you that you can't tell the difference
for most applications. Most applications that you run are probably
not compute bound. I worked in the computer business for over 32
years and I would bet you again that you have no idea of what a
compute bound program is and I can further tell you without
knowing anything else about your blow away system that there is
nothing on it or even my system that is a compute bound
application. So, I would suggest that you change that flapping
tire and if you don't understand me, I'l be more clear, button
your lip unless you know what you are talking about.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Belle" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 9:10 PM
Subject: Re: Window eyes and 64bit systems
Whoops, got a cheer-leader mad, sorry.
Nope, not a programmer, never said I was, what I meant to say was
that porting from xp to 32 bit vista was easier than porting to
64 bit so that's why gwmicro decided to do the easy code instead
of tackling 64 bit, you know the immediate gratification thing.
But the easy path isn't always the best one because 64 bit is
gonna be a much bigger player than 32 bit vista or windows 7 and
we're seeing that now.
I just looked at what I wrote, and I can maybe see why you might
have gotten that confused,
but taking things in context and what I wrote afterwords, it
seems pretty clear to me what I was saying.
Maybe that's a limitation of the programming mind 'grin'.
But no offense intended, all the cheer-leaders can sit down, and
if it weren't for people like me pushing the envelope, and
expecting the highest for our hard-earned money, these guys would
get fat and lazy and really get behind.
I have to keep up to be competitive in my field of expertise, so
I expect the best tools for the job.
As long as I've got money invested in gwmicro, I have a right to
expect the best, just as my clients I do work for have the right
to expect the best from me and believe me, they do, they keep me on my toes.
So, my email was a compliment to the company in fact,
maybe not a cheer-leader style, because the way it goes on these
lists is that you tote the party line and don't say anything bad
and then appologize when you do ask for something or mention
something that needs to be done, or that should have been done.
I won't do that, I tell it like it is.
I'll do it respectfully, and some times I might pull a chain or
be a little cheeky, but that's just how I am, people that don't
like my posts can hit the delete key 'grin'.
I know this is hard work but if your going to be the best and say
your the best, then deliver the best.
It doesn't matter now, we've got 64 bit.
I just think in retrospect that gwmicro would have served
themselves better if 64 bit had been a priority earlier rather
than 32 bit vista.
But yes, I do indeed understand that that would have been the
harder thing to do.
Regards.
At 07:01 PM 7/30/2009, you wrote:
A small task to port a screen reader from 32 bit to 64
bit? Hmmm, Chris, what programming expertise do you have to
warrant such a statement?
----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Belle" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 4:53 PM
Subject: Re: Window eyes and 64bit systems
Actually, our guys came through and weren't lagging too far
behind the competition on this one, makes me proud.
We indeed have 64 bit.
I mentioned to the fine folks about some time ago, or some such
when vista 32 had just come out and that was probably the easy code to do.
I said 64 bit was gonna be the big thing, and they were
starting to become more and more on systems even then.
I got spanked for mentioning such a thing 'grin',
because gw were patting themselves on the back for vista 32 release,
but serious attention could and should have been implemented
then because some of us could see which way the pig was running.
And sure enough, 64 bit is taking over now and how nice if we'd
been first because vista 32 isn't that big a deal and I believe
in my heart that 64 bit flavor of vista, and most likely 64 bit
windows 7 will be the winner like xp is.
Vista 32 was a big flop in the industry and everybody knows it.
Hmmm, let's see 4 gig architectural limit, but more over-head
for the os equals less memory for the programs, equals doggy performance.
So atleast now because I don't have a 64 bit version of jaws,
if I want to slap 64 bit sonar on this fine dual core machine
and not cripple it with a 32 bit os, and really get in to high
gear, even with no scripts and such, I might have some chance
at access because all the versions of sonar since version 5 will do 64 bit.
So thanks guys for not making me wait too long 'grin'.
At 05:32 PM 7/30/2009, you wrote:
Hi,
Does WE support 64 bit OS yet? I'm asking because I placed a order on
Monday for a new desktop system from Dell and I just found out
that it's a
64 bit system. I really hope it is one because I haven't been
around in a
while.
Otis
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