The point best made here is that anybody who trys to show off as though they
know everything there is to know about any computer just proved how little
he knows. In today's world that isn't possible. so, anybody who tries to
make that claim or put up that impression needs only to be told to "get a
life". Of course, it is usually the programmer types who know little more
about a computer than how to program in a language or two that want the
world to believe that they know it all. But, I have some of the dumbest
statements about computers from programmers.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Belle" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 11:02 PM
Subject: Re: Window eyes and 64bit systems
Right back at ya dude, you don't know crap about the applications I use,
64 bit does matter when you need to load big sample libraries and have
access to more than 4 gb of memory.
My main program has been 64 bit for several years now, and no not a
programmer, but I read white papers, and do a lot of study and reading, I
came up in the command line days, and I install windows on my own systems
and do my own teching, so I'm not stupid about computers.
I've restored and resurrected many machines, and any particulars I don't
know I can find out about.
I'll go look up that term you mentioned, but in general, if I had to
guess, it probably has to do with the fact that most 32 bit programs don't
use more than 2 gigs of memory effectively anyway, and even xp doesn't
address the full 4 gigs of memory in the same way in a 32 bit environment.
That's why I didn't bother putting 4 gigs in this machine.
I also know that until all the 64 bit apps grow up, my third party vst
plug-ins, etc, that if we have a hybrid situation, then we won't realize
the full benefits of 64 bit.
Remember in windows 95 and 98 when things that ran well under windows 3.1
actually ran slower?
Translation going on, I understand about that.
But some things are mature and happening now, like these 64 bit machines
that are running daw software and are able to load huge sample libraries
in to memory for
quick access.
I have technician friends who are running 64 bit systems mac folks, and
vista 64 folks, and they keep me posted about stuff.
It's we in the blind community who are lagging behind and sucking hind tit
so to speak.
So you couldn't put a track together and produce an album so who's stupid
now?
We all have different gifts, and I know enough about computing to do my
craft and also make a few bucks here and there fixing up people's
computers when they bring them to me.
So any term I need to know
ahci mode, efi,
it doesn't matter, I can and do go study about it and learn.
So you threw a term at me I wasn't readily familiar with, big deal, I work
with technology every day you'd have no idea which end was up.
I'm very proud of the independance and freedom I've gained from working
with these machines, I use legacy hard-ware and software to help me tech
even on newer machines, and your the worst jerk for trying to make me look
stupid because there's no shame in being ignorant, only in remaining
ignorant and I'm smart enough to go find out and I'm very intuitive, I've
make calls on problems with systems techs have worked on for hours, and
I'd say, hey, change out the video card and see what happens, and how
about it, things work right?
So sometimes with this stuff, it's common sense, and seeing the big
picture.
I've seen so many programmers who couldn't understand anything unless it
was laid out in a logic sequence.
But some times problems are solved by thinking outside the box, and doing
something different.
At 10:31 PM 7/30/2009, you wrote:
Well, I have read your two posts and your words make your lips sound like
a flapping flat tire. Not sure what your expertise is but one thing I
know is that you do not have any more of an investment in GW Micro than
anyone else on this list so why do you think you are so special as to feel
an entitlement. The software business is not an easy one and I feel you
and a few others on this list have no idea of how difficult things can be
in this bad economic time. And to your point about 32 bit verses 64 bit
and what GW micro did or didn't do. Gw Micro realized that many of its
users didn't have, and probably wouldn't have, 64 hardware when they had
to make a decision about which way to go. They also realize like many
other software vendors, that you can't just break the whole user base that
you have built. Even Microsoft had to make the same decision when they
decided to release Vista. And, just in case you don't know, and I would
bet you don't, even Sun Microsystems did not have 64 bit Java when We was
released. It has only been abailble for a couple of months. And, for
your assertion that 64 bit software runs so much faster than 32 bit
software, I can tell you that the machine on which i am writing is a 32
bit machine and my brother-in-law has one almost exactly like this one but
with the 64 bit OS and 4 verses 2 GB, and I can tel you that you can't
tell the difference for most applications. Most applications that you run
are probably not compute bound. I worked in the computer business for
over 32 years and I would bet you again that you have no idea of what a
compute bound program is and I can further tell you without knowing
anything else about your blow away system that there is nothing on it or
even my system that is a compute bound application. So, I would suggest
that you change that flapping tire and if you don't understand me, I'l be
more clear, button your lip unless you know what you are talking about.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Belle" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 9:10 PM
Subject: Re: Window eyes and 64bit systems
Whoops, got a cheer-leader mad, sorry.
Nope, not a programmer, never said I was, what I meant to say was that
porting from xp to 32 bit vista was easier than porting to 64 bit so
that's why gwmicro decided to do the easy code instead of tackling 64
bit, you know the immediate gratification thing.
But the easy path isn't always the best one because 64 bit is gonna be a
much bigger player than 32 bit vista or windows 7 and we're seeing that
now.
I just looked at what I wrote, and I can maybe see why you might have
gotten that confused,
but taking things in context and what I wrote afterwords, it seems pretty
clear to me what I was saying.
Maybe that's a limitation of the programming mind 'grin'.
But no offense intended, all the cheer-leaders can sit down, and if it
weren't for people like me pushing the envelope, and expecting the
highest for our hard-earned money, these guys would get fat and lazy and
really get behind.
I have to keep up to be competitive in my field of expertise, so I expect
the best tools for the job.
As long as I've got money invested in gwmicro, I have a right to expect
the best, just as my clients I do work for have the right to expect the
best from me and believe me, they do, they keep me on my toes.
So, my email was a compliment to the company in fact,
maybe not a cheer-leader style, because the way it goes on these lists is
that you tote the party line and don't say anything bad and then
appologize when you do ask for something or mention something that needs
to be done, or that should have been done.
I won't do that, I tell it like it is.
I'll do it respectfully, and some times I might pull a chain or be a
little cheeky, but that's just how I am, people that don't like my posts
can hit the delete key 'grin'.
I know this is hard work but if your going to be the best and say your
the best, then deliver the best.
It doesn't matter now, we've got 64 bit.
I just think in retrospect that gwmicro would have served themselves
better if 64 bit had been a priority earlier rather than 32 bit vista.
But yes, I do indeed understand that that would have been the harder
thing to do.
Regards.
At 07:01 PM 7/30/2009, you wrote:
A small task to port a screen reader from 32 bit to 64 bit? Hmmm,
Chris, what programming expertise do you have to warrant such a
statement?
----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Belle" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 4:53 PM
Subject: Re: Window eyes and 64bit systems
Actually, our guys came through and weren't lagging too far behind the
competition on this one, makes me proud.
We indeed have 64 bit.
I mentioned to the fine folks about some time ago, or some such when
vista 32 had just come out and that was probably the easy code to do.
I said 64 bit was gonna be the big thing, and they were starting to
become more and more on systems even then.
I got spanked for mentioning such a thing 'grin',
because gw were patting themselves on the back for vista 32 release,
but serious attention could and should have been implemented then
because some of us could see which way the pig was running.
And sure enough, 64 bit is taking over now and how nice if we'd been
first because vista 32 isn't that big a deal and I believe in my heart
that 64 bit flavor of vista, and most likely 64 bit windows 7 will be
the winner like xp is.
Vista 32 was a big flop in the industry and everybody knows it.
Hmmm, let's see 4 gig architectural limit, but more over-head for the
os equals less memory for the programs, equals doggy performance.
So atleast now because I don't have a 64 bit version of jaws, if I want
to slap 64 bit sonar on this fine dual core machine and not cripple it
with a 32 bit os, and really get in to high gear, even with no scripts
and such, I might have some chance at access because all the versions
of sonar since version 5 will do 64 bit.
So thanks guys for not making me wait too long 'grin'.
At 05:32 PM 7/30/2009, you wrote:
Hi,
Does WE support 64 bit OS yet? I'm asking because I placed a order on
Monday for a new desktop system from Dell and I just found out that
it's a
64 bit system. I really hope it is one because I haven't been around
in a
while.
Otis
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