Hi, ok and let's say that instead of the message opening as you expect an
error results or as sometimes happens within outlook the message is opened
but does not get focus. With no feedback from the window title how are you
going to know this. Sorry I hear something similar every day working with
outlook and when I know the title is what I expect it to be pressing the
control key and then read to end does the trick every time. As I said
windows screen readers have always worked this way it is not reasonable to
expect them to figure out when you want the title and how much. As I asked
before how is it going to determine this. A new window was created ok x
user wants to hear this part of the title while y user wants to hear this
part of it. Unless you're dealing with an mdi client I don't see how it is
going to know how to separate the title.
Oh and if you don't like hearing the number of links that is not part of the
window title that is a part of brows mode verbosity that you can change.
-----Original Message-----
From: Neville [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 12:59 AM
To: Jim Grimsby JR.
Subject: Re: Window titles - feature request
Hi,
The problem is:
1. The subject is read when arrowing through the list which is what you
would expect.
2. Pressing enter to open that message results in the subject being
read again along with Mozilla Thunderbird, number of links.
3. Hear this duplication 100 times or so a day and you will appreciate
what we are referring to.
Neville.
On 20/04/2010 4:21 PM, Jim Grimsby JR. wrote:
> Hi, I guess I am not understanding the problem. Windows screen readers
> read the window title as a new window is created. This is important to
let
> you the user know where you are in the application. For example inbox
> Microsoft outlook. This tells you that you are in the Microsoft outlook
> program and that the active folder is the inbox. If this information was
> not provided to you how would you know what program you were in what
section
> of the program etc. now you find a message you want to read you press
> enter. Now you here x message html. Or plain text. This lets you know
that
> you opened a message and its formatting.
> If your working in goldwave and you are working with a file called the end
> you will hear gold wave the end.mp3 this tells you that the gold wave
> program is open and the file active in the sound view is called the end.
> I guess I just don't understand why you would not want this information
> read. Now you open the save as dialog and you here save as. Now you know
> the dialog where you can save the end file to something else. Sure you
could
> turn window title reading off but what would be the point. Now when new
> windows are created you will not know what they are and you will find
> yourself hitting the window title command just to hear what you would have
> herd automatically before.
> Also let's say you decided to only have part of the window title read.
How
> do you decide on a generic bases what to read. Ok we have a MDI client.
So
> we could in this case say ok only read the title of the document window
and
> not the main client window. So in the case of word you would here.
> Document 1 the end. Microsoft word would not be herd. But when you get
out
> of the case of MDI clients how does window-eyes decide what titles to
read.
> Ok let's take skype. This is not a MDI client so how do we decide what is
> read. Outlook is not a MDI client so how do we decide that you just want
to
> hear the folder name? or do you just want to hear the name of the
> application. Well they are the same title bar so how does window-eyes
know
> where the folder name starts. So what is read is the title of the new
> window as it is created. This way you always know where you are and you
can
> then act accordingly.
> When I already know what is going to happen when I issue a command I can
> always tell window-eyes to stop speaking and act on what I know is there.
> Sorry not trying to be hard to get along with but ever scence my first
> screen reader back in 1992 this is the way they have all worked and I
don't
> see any reason to change it now.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Neville [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 9:25 PM
> To: Kevin Huber; we>> GW Micro
> Subject: Re: Window titles - feature request
>
> Hi Kevin,
>
> This problem is also giving me sore ears in Thunderbird particulily
> since installing the beta. Each time enter is pressed to open a
> message, the message subject, Mozilla Thunderbirdand the number of links
> is spoken. I was not aware of it in the previous 7.11.
>
> If titles are turned off in verbosity, activated,then the title is not
> spoken when the WE control panel is opened. If I do as you suggest and
> set up a window around the titlebar and silence it, then some of my auto
> hotkey macros will not be able to read the titlebar when switching from
> one account to another. In short, if GW Micro does not change things
> from their end it appears I'll be stuck with hearing the extra verbage
> each time a message is opened.
>
> Using: WXPH SP3, latest TB and Tripletalk USB also tried Dectalk.
> Neville.
>
>
>
>
> On 19/04/2010 1:45 AM, Kevin Huber wrote:
>> Hi Juan:
>> Would it be possible to define a window around the last part of the
>> title and define that window to be silent, thus causing that part of
>> the title not to be spoken?
>> It might be a little extra work at first, but at least your ears are
>> not going to explode or fall off or whatever. (grin)
>> Kevin Huber
>>
>> On 4/13/10, Juan Gonzalez<[email protected]> wrote:
>>> I agree with this posting
>>>
>>>
>>> From: David
>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 8:10 PM
>>> To: WE English mailing list
>>> Subject: Window titles - feature request
>>>
>>>
>>> In the Verbose menu of ACTIVE, It is possible to check the box for
having
> WE
>>> report your Window Title, whenever you land on a Window, i.e when
>>> Alt-Tabbing. This is a nice feature, but it has a small drawback:
>>>
>>> If you, for instance, alt-tab to your Notepad window, it will read 'My
>>> Document.txt - notepad'. Same in Internet Explorer, and in Outlook
> Express,
>>> it would read the Folder, and then tell you it is in 'Outlook Express'.
> It
>>> is nice, in some cases I guess, to have the full window title spoken.
But
> in
>>> most cases, I only need to know ONE of the two parts of the Title. In
> most
>>> cases, when I alt-tab through my open windows, I don't need to be
> reminded
>>> if I am in Notepad, Internet Explorer, Word or whatever. All I do need,
> is
>>> to know, exactly which document/webpage/folder I am in. In other words,
> it
>>> would be enough for me to hear 'My Document.txt', 'GWMicro.com',
'Inbox',
>>> and so forth. Specially the way it is now, you get tired of hearing all
> the
>>> application names spoken, when you do an excessive amount of alt-tabbing
>>> back and forth through a couple of hours. Say you have a Word document
> open,
>>> and then do some research on the internet, making notes in Word. You
> Alt-Tab
>>> to Word, get the 'Notes.doc - Word', message, do a bit of typing,
Alt-Tab
>>> back to IE, and hear 'Wikipedia.com - Internet Explorer', spoken. Do
this
>>> Alt-Tabbing back and forth 20 times the next hour, and your ears are
> filled
>>> to the extend, they are about to fall off, with the 'WORD', and
'INTERNET
>>> EXPLORER' phrases. In general, it is to be prefered, that you get the
> least
>>> amount of words spoken, that is needed to have you do your job the most
>>> effectively. Well, at least for oldtime-runners, this will be the case.
>>>
>>> So, could there please, be an extra checkbox in the Verbose menu, that
> would
>>> tell WE whether or not to include the App-name in the Window title? It
> sure
>>> would have made my ears happy, and I guess many with me.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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