Actually pat you don't want it to go bye bye. If the brows mode buffer went away you and I and all the other users of the web would be in trouble. As I see it gw micro can do this three ways. The way they are doing it allowing the user to decide when they need it and when they don't. having window-eyes turn it on and off like the other screen readers do. Or having a system that uses prefixes that in no way interrupts the normal activity of the program being used. The method that would be consistant with the way window-eyes is designed over all is to have hot keys for brows mode that do not conflict or interrupt the normal operation of the underlaying program. So think about it this way. We have keys that control the reading of the insertion pointer. We have keys that control the mouse pointer no need to turn on and off modes now we would have keys that control the brows buffer. Of course as you move the brows mode buffer using these keys the focus would follow you with the browser. As you tab to options of course then the buffer would follow the focus and tab would read out what ever it is the brows mode buffer reads as you move to that control. The nice thing about these three approaches is this is not either or. Gw micro quite possibly could offer all three. A hot key system using prefixes a system that let you the user turn it on and off as you wish. And a system that trys to do all the thinking for you. I personaly am hoping for the hot key approach To do this gw micro would have to give us more modafiers prefix keys as well as more agresive keyboard handeling. Witch of course it needs any way as more and more apps come up needing more keyboard space. I posted a more indeft message on this subject earlyer. Hth Jim Grimsby JR.E-mail and Windows Live Messenger: [email protected] Skype Jim.grimsby Twitter Jgrimsby
-----Original Message----- From: Pat Ferguson [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2012 2:30 PM To: Jim Grimsby JR. Cc: [email protected] Subject: RE: WebAIM Survey on Screen Readers Hi Jim and Everyone, I appreciate your comments on everything you have said. I find it very annoying to have to keep turning browse mode on and off when filling out a form, such as the one I posted yesterday with the sleep study questions. It will be wonderful when GW micro makes Window-Eyes not depend on Browse mode. It's time for Browse mode to go bye bye. <smile> Pat Ferguson My honesty always gets me in trouble. At 03:03 PM 5/3/2012, you wrote: >Ok let me understand this. They are turning off brows mode to move >threw radio buttons? If so why? Lets cover a few things. Filling out a form. >Use brows mode to move to the form. Use e to move threw feeld sets. Etc. >when you get to a control such a a check box radio button you don't need >to leave brows mode. Simply check or uncheck it with the space bar. Only >turn brows mode off if you find a control that need direct interation >such as a combo box etc. when done with this control turn brows mode >on once again. Quite simple I am not saying that window-eyes doesn't >need some work on what is done when brows mode if turned off. It does. >How-ever it can be done if you know how to use your screen reader. > > >Jim Grimsby JR. >E-mail and Windows Live Messenger: [email protected] >Skype Jim.grimsby >Twitter Jgrimsby > >-----Original Message----- >From: Jared Smith [mailto:[email protected]] >Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2012 12:18 PM >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: WebAIM Survey on Screen Readers > >Thank you for the feedback Jim. Some very good functionality described here. >However, the real benefit of fieldsets and legends are that they can >provide the description of a grouping of form controls when those form >controls are accessed directly. When you tab to a radio button in a >fieldset, the fieldset legend should be read. Window-Eyes does not >support this. All other screen readers do. > >You are correct that Window-Eyes users can navigate by fieldsets. They >can navigate by forms. And they can manually enter Browse mode and find >the fieldset legend themselves. But the fact that this vital >information is not presented in context with the grouped form controls >while navigating the form poses a distinct barrier to Window-Eyes users. > >I have now received 5 e-mails and several other survey comments from >Window-Eyes users who have had less-than-optimal experiences with our >fully standards compliant survey form. Users of other screen readers >have described it as "the most accessible survey I've ever taken." I'm >not trying to pick a fight, I'm simply suggesting that Window-Eyes >would provide a much more accessibility experience for its users if it >supported fieldset accessibility while navigating a form. > >Jared Smith >WebAIM.org >If you reply to this message it will be delivered to the original >sender only. If your reply would benefit others on the list and your >message is related to GW Micro, then please consider sending your >message to [email protected] so the entire list will receive it. > >GW-Info messages are archived at http://www.gwmicro.com/gwinfo. You can >manage your list subscription at http://www.gwmicro.com/listserv. >If you reply to this message it will be delivered to the original >sender only. If your reply would benefit others on the list and your >message is related to GW Micro, then please consider sending your >message to [email protected] so the entire list will receive it. > >GW-Info messages are archived at http://www.gwmicro.com/gwinfo. You can >manage your list subscription at http://www.gwmicro.com/listserv. If you reply to this message it will be delivered to the original sender only. If your reply would benefit others on the list and your message is related to GW Micro, then please consider sending your message to [email protected] so the entire list will receive it. GW-Info messages are archived at http://www.gwmicro.com/gwinfo. You can manage your list subscription at http://www.gwmicro.com/listserv. If you reply to this message it will be delivered to the original sender only. If your reply would benefit others on the list and your message is related to GW Micro, then please consider sending your message to [email protected] so the entire list will receive it. GW-Info messages are archived at http://www.gwmicro.com/gwinfo. You can manage your list subscription at http://www.gwmicro.com/listserv.
