May I ask please, that GW would make all hotkeys user-definable. When in a
Table or List, and Browse Mode is turned on, you can use the Right-bracket
symbol, followed by the T to go to the end of the Table, or the S to go to
the end of the list. A quite handy feature, that has saved many a keystroke.
Big problem here is, that on a non-US keyboard, the bracket-symbol needs a
three-key combo, and you will need both hands on the keyboard to perform the
keystroke-combo. I have never found anywhere in the hotkey section of WE,
for me to redefine this keystroke. I can redefine the hotkey for moving to
the tables, links and lists - but not a way to redefine the
bracket-keystroke to my satisfaction. Makes no sense at all, why you cannot
redefine that one keystroke, when you let the user do his choices on the
rest of the Browse Mode keys. GW Staff, please, would you explain why this
single hotkey has to be hard-coded, whilst the rest of them are
user-definable.
This has stayed the case for long time, but since GW are working on a
rewrite of the Browse Mode for WE8, I really hope you could please make sure
that simply all keystrokes be user-definable. Really makes little sense
anything else.
By the way, I second the idea of having the B-key taking you to the next
Button on a webpage. If you have a page with 20 controls, it is somehow
troublesome to pass over 12 comboboxes, before you get to a button. Same
goes with Radiobuttons. Specially so, since a load of webpages are quite
speckled with these controls, to let you user-define your web experience.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Trenton Matthews" <[email protected]>
To: "Warren Logan" <[email protected]>
Cc: <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2012 5:20 PM
Subject: Re: Control Search Mode Is Overkill: Re: issue with insert key
layout
Well, if the demand is there, and it is, knowing since there is 30
messages in this one topic alone, there may sure indeed be a rewrite
possibly before 8.0 is released I suppose. Of course, I'm just a
window-eyes user, and not a Window-Eyes dev, so... who knows.
In that case, if they use your style of browse mode, is the Insert
Layout app even necessary?
On 11/11/12, Warren Logan <[email protected]> wrote:
I don't care what the hotkeys are. Just makes sense to have them. I hate
to
use this argument but every other screenreader does, and they are built
directly in to the screen reader and not just thrown in with a script.
Again
you could get rid of control search mode but keep the funtionality of
moving
to elements with the numbers. This can already be accomplished with
headings, so just extend it to the rest of them. Links, buttons, forms,
combo boxes, edit boxes, paragraphs, graphics, landmarks, etc, etc.
Warren
-----Original Message-----
From: Sim Kah Yong [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2012 12:19 AM
To: Patrick; [email protected]
Subject: Re: Control Search Mode Is Overkill: Re: issue with insert key
layout
Sorry I meant to have a new hotkey B for navigating to buttons. Thanks.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2012 2:27 AM
Subject: Re: Control Search Mode Is Overkill: Re: issue with insert key
layout
Control b? B is not even being used as a way to navigate by an
element.
-----Original Message-----
From: Sim Kah Yong
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 11:57 PM
To: Munawar Bijani ; Patrick ; [email protected]
Subject: Re: Control Search Mode Is Overkill: Re: issue with insert
key
layout
Just a suggestion, can GW Micro incorporate a new hotkey control B for
moving to button so we do not have to press two hotkeys.. Thanks.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Munawar Bijani" <[email protected]>
To: "Patrick" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2012 6:46 AM
Subject: Re: Control Search Mode Is Overkill: Re: issue with insert key
layout
Yes, this was a mistake in my last post, but my frustrations still
hold.
You can move to the next and previous controls but for things like
buttons, you have to press two keys just to move to the next button.
Munawar A. Bijani
Blog: http://munawar0009.blogspot.com
BPCPrograms, LLC
http://www.bpcprograms.com
[email protected]
-----Original Message-----
From: Patrick
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 10:36 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Control Search Mode Is Overkill: Re: issue with insert key
layout
He's not saying next control. He's referring to specific controls.
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Kingston
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 5:09 AM
To: Gwmicro gw-info mail list
Subject: Re: Control Search Mode Is Overkill: Re: issue with insert
key layout
C and Shift-C are single key strokes for next and previous control.
Hth,
Tom
On 11/9/2012 5:35 AM, Munawar Bijani wrote:
This was one of my biggest problems with W-E and why I still have
JAWS installed on my system. I feel like the Control Search
Mode,although useful, is overkill in most cases. For instance, E
should move you to the next Edit Box, not fieldset since no one
really pays attention to fieldsets anyway. B is free right now and
should move you to the next button instead of having to press N + B.
Another shortcut that will be useful is the ability to move to the
next control without pressing two keystrokes
(N+C.)
I think Control Search Mode should still exist as a way to execute
more specific movement commands like third button or third control,
as I have found this quite useful, but for just single element
movement I find it to be unnecessary. Munawar A. Bijani
Blog: http://munawar0009.blogspot.com
BPCPrograms, LLC
http://www.bpcprograms.com
[email protected]
*From:* Warren Logan <mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent:* Friday, November 09, 2012 1:10 AM
*To:* 'Patrick' <mailto:[email protected]>
*Cc:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* RE: issue with insert key layout
Agreed. We shouldn't have to use a script just to access some extra
browse mode commands. I'm sure we can't be the only ones to feel this
way...
Warren
-----Original Message-----
*From:* Patrick [mailto:[email protected]]
*Sent:* Thursday, November 08, 2012 2:54 PM
*To:* [email protected]
*Subject:* issue with insert key layout
When you turn on the insert key layout, if you're on a webpage
already, the keys don't work til you refresh. Can we please just
have the commands built into browse mode so I don't have to do two
key presses to get to a control or have to use an app? I don't see
why this isn't, if not included by default, a browse mode layout
option.
Thanks,
Patrick
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