Ah, good. Keep the layout, add the nav keys. Yep, stick with that idea!
On 11/11/12, Munawar Bijani <[email protected]> wrote: > Insert Key Layout wasn't actually meant to substitute for Browse Mode > keys--it's a way for GW to pull in JAWS customers who argue that they don't > > want to learn a new layout. So I think Insert Key Layout will still exist > even if the nav keys are implemented in Window-Eyes. > > > > Munawar A. Bijani > Blog: http://munawar0009.blogspot.com > BPCPrograms, LLC > http://www.bpcprograms.com > [email protected] > -----Original Message----- > From: Trenton Matthews > Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2012 11:20 AM > To: Warren Logan > Cc: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Control Search Mode Is Overkill: Re: issue with insert key > layout > > Well, if the demand is there, and it is, knowing since there is 30 > messages in this one topic alone, there may sure indeed be a rewrite > possibly before 8.0 is released I suppose. Of course, I'm just a > window-eyes user, and not a Window-Eyes dev, so... who knows. > In that case, if they use your style of browse mode, is the Insert > Layout app even necessary? > > > On 11/11/12, Warren Logan <[email protected]> wrote: >> I don't care what the hotkeys are. Just makes sense to have them. I hate >> to >> use this argument but every other screenreader does, and they are built >> directly in to the screen reader and not just thrown in with a script. >> Again >> you could get rid of control search mode but keep the funtionality of >> moving >> to elements with the numbers. This can already be accomplished with >> headings, so just extend it to the rest of them. Links, buttons, forms, >> combo boxes, edit boxes, paragraphs, graphics, landmarks, etc, etc. >> >> >> >> Warren >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Sim Kah Yong [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2012 12:19 AM >> To: Patrick; [email protected] >> Subject: Re: Control Search Mode Is Overkill: Re: issue with insert key >> layout >> >> >> Sorry I meant to have a new hotkey B for navigating to buttons. Thanks. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Patrick" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2012 2:27 AM >> Subject: Re: Control Search Mode Is Overkill: Re: issue with insert key >> layout >> >> >>> Control b? B is not even being used as a way to navigate by an >>> element. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Sim Kah Yong >>> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 11:57 PM >>> To: Munawar Bijani ; Patrick ; [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: Control Search Mode Is Overkill: Re: issue with insert >>> key >>> layout >>> >>> Just a suggestion, can GW Micro incorporate a new hotkey control B for >>> moving to button so we do not have to press two hotkeys.. Thanks. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Munawar Bijani" <[email protected]> >>> To: "Patrick" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2012 6:46 AM >>> Subject: Re: Control Search Mode Is Overkill: Re: issue with insert key >>> layout >>> >>> >>>> Yes, this was a mistake in my last post, but my frustrations still >>>> hold. >>>> You can move to the next and previous controls but for things like >>>> buttons, you have to press two keys just to move to the next button. >>>> Munawar A. Bijani >>>> Blog: http://munawar0009.blogspot.com >>>> BPCPrograms, LLC >>>> http://www.bpcprograms.com >>>> [email protected] >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Patrick >>>> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 10:36 AM >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: Re: Control Search Mode Is Overkill: Re: issue with insert key >>>> layout >>>> >>>> He's not saying next control. He's referring to specific controls. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Tom Kingston >>>> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 5:09 AM >>>> To: Gwmicro gw-info mail list >>>> Subject: Re: Control Search Mode Is Overkill: Re: issue with insert >>>> key layout >>>> >>>> C and Shift-C are single key strokes for next and previous control. >>>> >>>> Hth, >>>> Tom >>>> >>>> >>>> On 11/9/2012 5:35 AM, Munawar Bijani wrote: >>>>> This was one of my biggest problems with W-E and why I still have >>>>> JAWS installed on my system. I feel like the Control Search >>>>> Mode,although useful, is overkill in most cases. For instance, E >>>>> should move you to the next Edit Box, not fieldset since no one >>>>> really pays attention to fieldsets anyway. B is free right now and >>>>> should move you to the next button instead of having to press N + B. >>>>> Another shortcut that will be useful is the ability to move to the >>>>> next control without pressing two keystrokes >>>>> (N+C.) >>>>> I think Control Search Mode should still exist as a way to execute >>>>> more specific movement commands like third button or third control, >>>>> as I have found this quite useful, but for just single element >>>>> movement I find it to be unnecessary. Munawar A. Bijani >>>>> Blog: http://munawar0009.blogspot.com >>>>> BPCPrograms, LLC >>>>> http://www.bpcprograms.com >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> *From:* Warren Logan <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>> *Sent:* Friday, November 09, 2012 1:10 AM >>>>> *To:* 'Patrick' <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>> *Cc:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>> *Subject:* RE: issue with insert key layout >>>>> Agreed. We shouldn't have to use a script just to access some extra >>>>> browse mode commands. I'm sure we can't be the only ones to feel this >>>>> way... >>>>> Warren >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> *From:* Patrick [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, November 08, 2012 2:54 PM >>>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>>> *Subject:* issue with insert key layout >>>>> >>>>> When you turn on the insert key layout, if you're on a webpage >>>>> already, the keys don't work til you refresh. Can we please just >>>>> have the commands built into browse mode so I don't have to do two >>>>> key presses to get to a control or have to use an app? I don't see >>>>> why this isn't, if not included by default, a browse mode layout >>>>> option. >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Patrick >>>>> >>>> If you reply to this message it will be delivered to the original >>>> sender only. If your reply would benefit others on the list and your >>>> message is related to GW Micro, then please consider sending your >>>> message to [email protected] so the entire list will receive it. >>>> >>>> GW-Info messages are archived at http://www.gwmicro.com/gwinfo. You >>>> can manage your list subscription at http://www.gwmicro.com/listserv. >>>> If you reply to this message it will be delivered to the original >>>> sender only. 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