I noticed, what the Insert layout is doing, scripts the keys to act like how Jaws and NVDA do things. The problem with this, is you can still press ctrl-backslash, or ctrl-alt-arrow-keys, making the whole experience confusing for new users. I wonder, why not keep the layout as an app, however make sure that all keys that be long to that layout only get priority, and disable the ones from the original WE layouts themselves. Hopefully ya get my idea.
On 11/11/12, Trenton Matthews <[email protected]> wrote: > I totally agree with Davids' idea! No questions! > Also, since we're still talking browse mode here, is there a way WE > could read the label for edit boxs probably if using Insert-Tab, > alt-C? Its not for GMail at least... > The Message body one. > > > On 11/11/12, David <[email protected]> wrote: >> May I ask please, that GW would make all hotkeys user-definable. When in >> a >> Table or List, and Browse Mode is turned on, you can use the >> Right-bracket >> symbol, followed by the T to go to the end of the Table, or the S to go >> to >> the end of the list. A quite handy feature, that has saved many a >> keystroke. >> >> Big problem here is, that on a non-US keyboard, the bracket-symbol needs >> a >> three-key combo, and you will need both hands on the keyboard to perform >> the >> >> keystroke-combo. I have never found anywhere in the hotkey section of WE, >> for me to redefine this keystroke. I can redefine the hotkey for moving >> to >> the tables, links and lists - but not a way to redefine the >> bracket-keystroke to my satisfaction. Makes no sense at all, why you >> cannot >> >> redefine that one keystroke, when you let the user do his choices on the >> rest of the Browse Mode keys. GW Staff, please, would you explain why >> this >> single hotkey has to be hard-coded, whilst the rest of them are >> user-definable. >> >> This has stayed the case for long time, but since GW are working on a >> rewrite of the Browse Mode for WE8, I really hope you could please make >> sure >> >> that simply all keystrokes be user-definable. Really makes little sense >> anything else. >> >> By the way, I second the idea of having the B-key taking you to the next >> Button on a webpage. If you have a page with 20 controls, it is somehow >> troublesome to pass over 12 comboboxes, before you get to a button. Same >> goes with Radiobuttons. Specially so, since a load of webpages are quite >> speckled with these controls, to let you user-define your web experience. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Trenton Matthews" <[email protected]> >> To: "Warren Logan" <[email protected]> >> Cc: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2012 5:20 PM >> Subject: Re: Control Search Mode Is Overkill: Re: issue with insert key >> layout >> >> >>> Well, if the demand is there, and it is, knowing since there is 30 >>> messages in this one topic alone, there may sure indeed be a rewrite >>> possibly before 8.0 is released I suppose. Of course, I'm just a >>> window-eyes user, and not a Window-Eyes dev, so... who knows. >>> In that case, if they use your style of browse mode, is the Insert >>> Layout app even necessary? >>> >>> >>> On 11/11/12, Warren Logan <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> I don't care what the hotkeys are. Just makes sense to have them. I >>>> hate >>>> >>>> to >>>> use this argument but every other screenreader does, and they are built >>>> directly in to the screen reader and not just thrown in with a script. >>>> Again >>>> you could get rid of control search mode but keep the funtionality of >>>> moving >>>> to elements with the numbers. This can already be accomplished with >>>> headings, so just extend it to the rest of them. Links, buttons, forms, >>>> combo boxes, edit boxes, paragraphs, graphics, landmarks, etc, etc. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Warren >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Sim Kah Yong [mailto:[email protected]] >>>> Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2012 12:19 AM >>>> To: Patrick; [email protected] >>>> Subject: Re: Control Search Mode Is Overkill: Re: issue with insert key >>>> layout >>>> >>>> >>>> Sorry I meant to have a new hotkey B for navigating to buttons. Thanks. >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Patrick" <[email protected]> >>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2012 2:27 AM >>>> Subject: Re: Control Search Mode Is Overkill: Re: issue with insert key >>>> layout >>>> >>>> >>>>> Control b? B is not even being used as a way to navigate by an >>>>> element. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Sim Kah Yong >>>>> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 11:57 PM >>>>> To: Munawar Bijani ; Patrick ; [email protected] >>>>> Subject: Re: Control Search Mode Is Overkill: Re: issue with insert >>>>> key >>>>> layout >>>>> >>>>> Just a suggestion, can GW Micro incorporate a new hotkey control B for >>>>> moving to button so we do not have to press two hotkeys.. Thanks. >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Munawar Bijani" <[email protected]> >>>>> To: "Patrick" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> >>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2012 6:46 AM >>>>> Subject: Re: Control Search Mode Is Overkill: Re: issue with insert >>>>> key >>>>> layout >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Yes, this was a mistake in my last post, but my frustrations still >>>>>> hold. >>>>>> You can move to the next and previous controls but for things like >>>>>> buttons, you have to press two keys just to move to the next button. >>>>>> Munawar A. Bijani >>>>>> Blog: http://munawar0009.blogspot.com >>>>>> BPCPrograms, LLC >>>>>> http://www.bpcprograms.com >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: Patrick >>>>>> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 10:36 AM >>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>> Subject: Re: Control Search Mode Is Overkill: Re: issue with insert >>>>>> key >>>>>> layout >>>>>> >>>>>> He's not saying next control. He's referring to specific controls. >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: Tom Kingston >>>>>> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 5:09 AM >>>>>> To: Gwmicro gw-info mail list >>>>>> Subject: Re: Control Search Mode Is Overkill: Re: issue with insert >>>>>> key layout >>>>>> >>>>>> C and Shift-C are single key strokes for next and previous control. >>>>>> >>>>>> Hth, >>>>>> Tom >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 11/9/2012 5:35 AM, Munawar Bijani wrote: >>>>>>> This was one of my biggest problems with W-E and why I still have >>>>>>> JAWS installed on my system. I feel like the Control Search >>>>>>> Mode,although useful, is overkill in most cases. For instance, E >>>>>>> should move you to the next Edit Box, not fieldset since no one >>>>>>> really pays attention to fieldsets anyway. B is free right now and >>>>>>> should move you to the next button instead of having to press N + B. >>>>>>> Another shortcut that will be useful is the ability to move to the >>>>>>> next control without pressing two keystrokes >>>>>>> (N+C.) >>>>>>> I think Control Search Mode should still exist as a way to execute >>>>>>> more specific movement commands like third button or third control, >>>>>>> as I have found this quite useful, but for just single element >>>>>>> movement I find it to be unnecessary. Munawar A. Bijani >>>>>>> Blog: http://munawar0009.blogspot.com >>>>>>> BPCPrograms, LLC >>>>>>> http://www.bpcprograms.com >>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> *From:* Warren Logan <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, November 09, 2012 1:10 AM >>>>>>> *To:* 'Patrick' <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>>>> *Cc:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>>>> *Subject:* RE: issue with insert key layout >>>>>>> Agreed. We shouldn't have to use a script just to access some extra >>>>>>> browse mode commands. I'm sure we can't be the only ones to feel >>>>>>> this >>>>>>> way... >>>>>>> Warren >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> *From:* Patrick [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, November 08, 2012 2:54 PM >>>>>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>>>>> *Subject:* issue with insert key layout >>>>>>> >>>>>>> When you turn on the insert key layout, if you're on a webpage >>>>>>> already, the keys don't work til you refresh. Can we please just >>>>>>> have the commands built into browse mode so I don't have to do >>>>>>> two >>>>>>> key presses to get to a control or have to use an app? I don't >>>>>>> see >>>>>>> why this isn't, if not included by default, a browse mode layout >>>>>>> option. >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> Patrick >>>>>>> >>>>>> If you reply to this message it will be delivered to the original >>>>>> sender only. 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