Jim, great thoughts on the touch screen using Window-Eyes. <smile>
I sure hope that this could become a reality with Window-Eyes on a
Windows Tablet soon.
I would rather have a Windows Tablet than an IOS iPad.
I can just picture all that, since I had my Android tablet for about
3 weeks, and I had an iPhone, I'm not afraid of a touch screen, but
it needs to be done just like Window-Eyes on a keyboard.
Yes, no complicated jestures. Remember flicking is different than
swiping. <smile> I did learn that. <smile>
Now, you mentioned two digit flicks, do you mean two finger flicks?
Thanks much.
Many Blessings,
Pat Ferguson
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At 09:25 AM 1/7/2014, you wrote:
I am speaking for myself. I of course can't speak for anyone
else. The fact is though that if gw micro doesn't include
touch very soon they will sees to be relavent. The pc market is
going down hill fast. Small touch and soon to be jesture only
devices is the wave of the future. Microsoft will have to come out
with a phone running windows pro. Windows phone 8 has been a flop it
was never designed to be anything else really. It was a stop gap
measure tell the desktop operating system was capable of running on
a phone. We have reached that point. If I can see it I am sure
Microsoft sees it as well. I am also sure the good people at gw
micro realize what is happening also. There is no business for gw
micro on IOS or android. There only hope is to keep providing
window-eyes and find a way to get ahead of narrator NVDA and
jaws. right now they are behind. Three things need to happen for
them to get ahead.
First touch. They need to support touch and they need to do it
better then the rest. The jestures need to be
easyer. Smarter. Explore buy touch needs to allow for restriction
to avoid the problem of trying to explore a window and finding your
self on the desktop or some place you don't want to be. Smarter
touch needs to follow the focus it should be easy to set the type to
what the touch cursur moved to based on where the touch cursor
is. Not fixing the order that you can move to.
Here is an example.
Lets say the touch cursor is on a list box. So you flick down and
you will here move buy list box. Now flick right and you will be
able to move to other list boxes. If you would rather move buy list
item flick down again and it will say move touch cursor buy list
item. If you do a scrub up and down it will quickly move back to
all items. Set restriction ok I am in the skype window. I only
want to explore the skype window. Two digit flick left or right will
set the restricktion. I should be able to set the restriction to
what ever window I nwant to that is on the screen as I said there
buy avoiding the problem of moving with explore buy touch out side
of the window of interest. Of course I should also be able to set
restriction to full screen and focus window. Changing modes. Avoid
using a jesture like the rotter on IOs or jaws. use a simple to
digit flick up to move from mode to mode. In document mode for
example allow the user to use simple jestures to move the cursor or
brows mode buffer. Once again use flick up and down to set how the
cursor should move and use left and right flick to move the
cursor. Make the flick up and down feature smart as described
above. Two digit flick left or right changes between text selection
and normal cursor movement. Don't allow the rotter to set options
that are not possible. For example if there are no headings
available on the page or in the window don't allow the user to
select move buy heading. He can't do it so there is no point in
giving him that option at this point. When moving buy object make
the speech out put that you here while moving buy touch match the
speech out put that you would here while moving about with speech.
When reviewing text in objects don't make a separate mode for this
just put it in the rotter as an option to read buy line etc. there
again flicking down or up should allow me to select what I want to
read buy. Configureation mode. Flicking with two digits up or down
should take me to a configuration mode. Once again two digits
flicking left or right should allow me to pick sub modes here as
well so lets say I have a speech sub mode in configuration mode I do
a two digit flick left or right tell I land on this mode then
flicking up and down with one digit will allow me to pick what I
want to set and then flicking up or down will allow me to change
that setting. So lets say I want to change the rate I flick up or
down tell it says rate. Then I change the rate buy flicking right
to make it higher and left to make it lower. Would work like the
speech setting do on the keyboard accept it would have more options
to control punctuation numbers voices etc. other modes of
configureation could be added as needed. While reviewing buy object
for goodness sake make the object review order match the order as it
shows up on the screen. For example the menu bar and the title bar
should not be at the bottom of the object review order.
2. ore aps. If another screen reader works with a program
window-eyes should work with it and do it better. For example lets
take skype I give window-eyes a 2 out of the 3 major screen readers
I have tested it with. Jaws is number 1 jaws reads skype alerts
jaws works with skype no matter what mode skype is in and finely
jaws has scripts you can add that allows you to move about quickly
in the program. Window-eyes scores higher then NVDA though because
you can read messages easily again.app makers are going to need to
be able to add modes to touch. For example in skype you are going
to need a skype mode that will allow you to flick up to lets say
messages and then flick right to read the most recent messages. Or
flick down to alerts and then flick left and right to allow you to
here the most recent alerts.
Then you have programs where window-eyes just doesn't work well at
all. for example gold wave. I wrote scripts for jaws to work with
gold wave and I find myself loading jaws to work there because I
don't really want to have to script it again just so I can use
window-eyes there. So what I am saying is look at how the other
screen reader are doing it find ways of doing it better and give us
support for more apps.
3. fix brows mode, and try to find and smash any and all stability
issues. This is heading to the phone and it needs to be stable to
insure that not only your computing device is stable but your
comunecation device is stable as well.
Yes I speak for my self. The hand writing is on the wall though
and this is what is needed if 3rd party screen readers are going to
survive they have to show they can get the job done better then the
built in apps. Gw micro hears the user they also see the trends as
well as I do.
Hth
-----Original Message-----
From: Pamela Dominguez [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2014 4:47 AM
To: Jim Grimsby JR.
Subject: Re: Window-eyes on a Microsoft Tablet
Speak for yourself! Pam.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Grimsby JR.
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 7:04 PM
To: 'Chris G'
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Window-eyes on a Microsoft Tablet
Ok gw micro we want touch we want touch we want touch come on every
one say it loud say it proud we want touch. I love my venue from
del. I have been using it exclusively as a touch device will
connect a keyboard and install window-eyes on it. for my money
windows is always going to beat IOS as a computing platform. I also
think gw micro needs to hurry up with touch because if I am reading
the signs right it looks like we might have a phone running windows
pro. I will be all over that if that happens.
If it does maybe gw micro should talk to carryers offering the phone
and see if they will offer window-eyes on a payment plan along with
the phone it self. Narrator is getting better and NVDA is pretty
good but window-eyes still has them beet in most places.
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris G [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 2:38 PM
To: Vaughan Dodd; Kevin Huber; gw-info
Subject: Re: Window-eyes on a Microsoft Tablet
Hi,
Simply put, Window-eyes runs on Windows 8.
A Windows 8 tablet that Window-eyes can run on is just a computer
running the full Windows 8, IE, desktop apps you have been running
for years and are used to work fine.
On my acer, I'm running Window-eyes 8.4 with traditional desktop
apps such as Microsoft office 2013, Chicken Nugget, MaPlEr, and even
my livedrive backup software.
I'm not able to interact with the touch screen, but a bluetooth
keyboard works just fine. My Acer even came with the bluetooth
keyboard. I do not have a Braille display but don't see why
Window-eyes wouldn't work with a bluetooth or usb display if configured.
Again, Window-eyes will not run on tablets running Windows RT.
Windows RT does not run on in tell based tablets nore does it have
the full desktop so traditional desktop apps will not work.
Hope this helps.
Chris
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On 1/6/2014 4:22 PM, Vaughan Dodd wrote:
> I think this is interesting, as I have now just committed to a new pc
> of the traditional type.
>
> But: this configuration opens up the decision for me as to whether
> Windows Tablet compares favourably with iPad?
>
> If Window-eyes braille input modes were more sophisticated, I wonder
> if a braille display could double as an external keyboard?
>
> Current conventional wisdom from my perspective does actually favour
> the iPad, but I know nothing of Windows tablets as it was my
> understanding until now that Window-eyes could not run.
>
>
>
> Appreciate more information on this.
>
> Vaughan.
>
> for
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris G [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Tuesday, 7 January 2014 9:44 a.m.
> To: Kevin Huber; gw-info
> Subject: Re: Window-eyes on a Microsoft Tablet
>
> Hi,
> Window-eyes works fine on tablets running Windows 8 or Windows 8 pro.
> These are Intel based tablets. Window-eyes will not work on tablets
> running Windows RT.
>
> Also you'll need an external bluetooth keyboard as Window-eyes
> doesn't work with the touch screen.
>
> I'm currently running Window-eyes 8.4 on an Acer tablet.
>
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> On 1/6/2014 2:58 PM, Kevin Huber wrote:
>> Hi:
>> Can anyone tell me if Window-eyes 8 works on one of those Microsoft
>> Windows 8 tablets? If so, which tablets does Window-eyes work with
>> and which ones does it not work with?
>> Kevin Huber
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