The jestures used are screen reader spasific for example the jestures with narrator are so simple and easy to use that I am amazed more screen readers have not used it as a base model. NVDA jesture are pretty easy to use also. Of course NVDA treet touchable objects the same way it treats them in its object nathagation on the keyboard. Basically you are working in a tree structure. Flick left or right to move from one object to the next to go down in a tree flick down and then move left or right buy flicking in that level of the tree if there is a level beneet that you flick down and so on. Easy to do but it is a good idea to understand the relational structure of windows. You know the grand father father all that fun stuff. With jaws the jestures work well and mostly are easy but you have a rotter jesture and some jestures use five digits. So gets a little complex easy to do though. Nothing strange like draw a l or draw a circle as you know that is my bigist beef with talk back and android. None of the screen readers have the ability to restrict what is seen buy explore buy touch. So in other words if you are in skype want to explore the skype window and you drag your fingur around the screen you will find your self moving around all the other windows on screen. Allowing restriction would also make it easy to set where you are moving threw with the flick commands. Lets say I set restriction to the task bar. Then flick right. It would read the first button on the task bar. There would be no need for me to explore the screen trying to find that window. All the screen readers I have tried show the menu bar and title bar in the flick order at the bottom of the window. Explore buy touch shows it at the top of the window. This is how it is shown buy UIA so the screen readers are just picking it up and passing it threw to the user. As I said window-eyes should be smarter about this and provide the information in a more meaningful manor. Ah oops more information then you asked for pat. Sorry.
-----Original Message----- From: Pat Ferguson [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2014 2:46 PM To: Jim Grimsby JR. Cc: [email protected] Subject: RE: Window-eyes on a Microsoft Tablet Jim, Are the jestures hard to learn? Oh, these tablets will get better, and I just bet that in the near future Window-Eyes will support the touch screens on a Windows Tablets with Intel processors. Thanks much. Many Blessings, Pat Ferguson "I can Do all Things Through Christ Who Strengthens Me." Phillippians 4:13. At 04:30 PM 1/7/2014, you wrote: >Yep they also support the standard 802 n conection dool channel radio. >So what ever kind of router you want to use this bad boy on you can. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Pat Ferguson [mailto:[email protected]] >Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2014 2:04 PM >To: Jim Grimsby JR. >Cc: [email protected] >Subject: RE: Window-eyes on a Microsoft Tablet > >Oh, I just red your message again. > >I didn't know the Windows tablets had LTE support. That is way cool! > >Are they also WIFI as well? > >I did send your message about the tablet on to Vernon. lol. > >We don't have the money right now, as I went through three tablets in >November and December, the last one being the Nexus 7 Second >Generation, which we also sent back. That was enough for a while, but I >would love to have a Windows Tablet running Window-Eyes. > >I guarantee you, it will not be any iPad or Android tablet. It will be >a Windows Tablet with Window-Eyes, or nothing. > > >Thanks much. > >Many Blessings, > >Pat Ferguson >"I can Do all Things Through Christ Who Strengthens Me." Phillippians 4:13. > >At 03:04 PM 1/7/2014, you wrote: > >Well pat as a windows user I wouldn't do that. Simply get a windows > >tablit that has lte support. With the link I posted earlier to day > >for you they do have the lte option. You will save a lot of money > >and be on a operating system you are used to and have the keyboard > >support you want. Keyboard support on IOS frankly sucks because the > >support they offer is basicly to turn the keyboard in to a touch > >screen emulation device. A keyboard is not a touch screen and there > >is more power in a keyboard and the support should not be limited in > >this way. Coming from a windows fan boy who really wants to escape from the Iphone walled garden. > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Pat Ferguson [mailto:[email protected]] > >Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2014 12:42 PM > >To: Alan Paganelli > >Cc: [email protected] > >Subject: Re: Window-eyes on a Microsoft Tablet > > > >Great explanation of the IOS touch screen. > > > >Well, I just might have to save my money and buy an iPad Mini. lol. > > > > > >Thanks much. > > > >Many Blessings, > > > >Pat Ferguson > >"I can Do all Things Through Christ Who Strengthens Me." Phillippians 4:13. > > > >At 11:19 AM 1/7/2014, you wrote: > > >Ok, I'll take a stab at explaining the difference between the touch > > >screen verses a screen reader based system. A screen reader and it > > >doesn't matter which one it is, work the same way. They read from > > >left to right and top to bottom. That's the simple explanation. > > >Of course there are short cuts to do certain things like pressing H > > >for headings or L for links etc. Helpful but not informative of > > >what the screen really looks like to a sighted person. > > > > > >A sighted person will look at the screen and see there might be a > > >block of text under a picture on the top left corner of the screen. > > >There is very often something that says select from the left side > > >of the screen and place it in the right side section. > > > > > >You can wave your mouse around etc but you still don't get to see > > >what a sighted person sees. > > > > > >With a touch screen system such as on an iPhone because it's the > > >most widely used phone by the blind, your index finger becomes your > > >mouse pointer. There is one huge advantage here. You have feeling > > >in your index finger. Your brain tells you where your at on the > > >screen not the screen reader trying to describe it to you. So, as > > >you move your index finger around the screen, what ever is directly > > >under your index finger is described. If it's a block of text, > > >that text is read out loud to you by Voice over. There are buttons > > >on the screen at the top of the screen called status indicators. > > >These include signal strengths, WI-FI bars Bluetooth Status and > > >remaining battery power. There can be other status indicators > > >there as well. At the bottom edge are commonly used items such as > > >phone, email, Internet, or music. Between the top and bottom rows > > >are the apps or as we use to call them on the computer, programs. > > > > > >This is just a generalized look but there is enough here to give > > >you an idea of the differences. As more and more people go from > > >desktops to laptops and from laptops to portables, sails of windows > > >based computers keeps falling farther and farther behind that of > > >portables. Touch Screens have been around on windows laptops for > > >more years then you might think. My Toshiba laptop had a touch > > >screen and I ran Window-Eyes on it. At that time though, it was > > >optional how you wanted to use the screen and not being able to see > > >the screen, I went with the screen reader and turned off the touch screen features. > > > > > >I'm looking for another computer to replace my old Netbook Computer > > >I used for email and web browsing. That will be replaced with an > > >iPad Air when my AT&T store gets their stock of Airs with a 128 GB > > >hard drive as well as WI-FI and cellular data. We enjoy traveling > > >in our motor home and you can't always get WI-FI and cellular data > > >is much easier to lay hands on. > > > > > >The windows so called tablets have been more of a joke than a > > >serious contender. > > > > > >Ok that's my take on things for what it's worth. And remember, > > >it's worth what you paid for it. "Nothing" > > > > > > > > >Regards, > > > > > >Alan > > > > > >Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents? Act > > >now!!!!! Move out. Get a job. Pay your bills wile you still know > >everything. > > > > > >Please click on: > > >HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ > > >There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances > > >played on the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. The albums in Technics > > >format formerly on my website are still available upon request. > > >Thanks for > >listening! > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron or Susan Denis" > > ><[email protected]> > > >Cc: <[email protected]> > > >Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2014 8:45 AM > > >Subject: Re: Window-eyes on a Microsoft Tablet > > > > > > > > >>Would those of you enamored with touch screens explain the > > >>advantage or attraction? I'm of course approaching this as one with no vision. > > >>RD > > >> > > >> > > >>-----Original Message----- From: Jim Grimsby JR. > > >>Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2014 4:43 AM > > >>To: 'David Plumlee' > > >>Cc: [email protected] > > >>Subject: RE: Window-eyes on a Microsoft Tablet > > >> > > >>Hay man I am so there. The cool thing is these bad boy have a usb > > >>port on them. got my self a otg cable and now you just connect a > > >>usb hub kick back and pound away on that old bad boy keyboard. > > >>The speaker on this bad boy tablit are like way loud. So you will > > >>be able to here it. now when you got to go some where you can > > >>leave the stuff at home hook up the new blue tooth keyboard that > > >>folds up and fits in your back pocket or get a case for the tablit > > >>and get going where ever. You got the touch screen and keyboard. > > >>It works good. Now gw micro here us again we want and we need > > >>touch. Look at what the other guys are doing and for god sake do it even beter. > > >>Not saying the others are bad but I know gw micro can do better. I > > >>will post some of my ideas on this subject later on. > > >> > > >> > > >>-----Original Message----- > > >>From: David Plumlee [mailto:[email protected]] > > >>Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 9:21 PM > > >>To: Chris H > > >>Cc: gwmicro > > >>Subject: Re: Window-eyes on a Microsoft Tablet > > >> > > >>I must admit at the outset a bias on my part: I am a confirmed > > >>knob freak at age 69. I have also operated the Apple IPhone with > > >>all of its gestures and touch operations; and for my part, nothing > > >>beats a good solid mechanical keyboard with real buttons that you > > >>can press to reliably get what you want! > > >>Perhaps touch screens will become more reliable as they improve; > > >>but I don't think I'd want to use a tablet computer as long as I > > >>could have something with real buttons to operate. Granted, the > > >>modern PC has no knobs; but the buttons generally carry the same > > >>reliability that you can get from knobs that you turn. > > >> > > >>But for those who want touch, gestures, and all that, I sincerely > > >>hope that Window-Eyes can someday soon run on such equipment. For > > >>my part, though, give me knobs and buttons! > > >> > > >> > > >>----- Original Message ----- > > >>From: "Chris H" <[email protected]> > > >>To: "Kevin Huber" <[email protected]>; "gw-info" > > >><[email protected]> > > >>Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 2:49 PM > > >>Subject: Re: Window-eyes on a Microsoft Tablet > > >> > > >> > > >>>Hi > > >>>probably not, Window-Eyes does not work with touch currently. > > >>> > > >>>Regards Chris > > >>> > > >>>On 06/01/2014 19:58, Kevin Huber wrote: > > >>>>Hi: > > >>>>Can anyone tell me if Window-eyes 8 works on one of those > > >>>>Microsoft Windows 8 tablets? If so, which tablets does > > >>>>Window-eyes work with and which ones does it not work with? > > >>>>Kevin Huber > > >>>>If you reply to this message it will be delivered to the > > >>>>original sender only. If your reply would benefit others on the > > >>>>list and your message is related to GW Micro, then please > > >>>>consider sending your message to [email protected] so the entire list will receive it. > > >>>> > > >>>>GW-Info messages are archived at http://www.gwmicro.com/gwinfo. > > >>>>You can manage your list subscription at http://www.gwmicro.com/listserv. > > >>>> > > >>>If you reply to this message it will be delivered to the original > > >>>sender only. If your reply would benefit others on the list and > > >>>your message is related to GW Micro, then please consider sending > > >>>your message to [email protected] so the entire list will receive it. > > >>> > > >>>GW-Info messages are archived at http://www.gwmicro.com/gwinfo. > > >>>You can manage your list subscription at http://www.gwmicro.com/listserv. > > >>If you reply to this message it will be delivered to the original > > >>sender only. If your reply would benefit others on the list and > > >>your message is related to GW Micro, then please consider sending > > >>your message to [email protected] so the entire list will receive it. > > >> > > >>GW-Info messages are archived at http://www.gwmicro.com/gwinfo. > > >>You can manage your list subscription at http://www.gwmicro.com/listserv. > > >>If you reply to this message it will be delivered to the original > > >>sender only. If your reply would benefit others on the list and > > >>your message is related to GW Micro, then please consider sending > > >>your message to [email protected] so the entire list will receive it. > > >> > > >>GW-Info messages are archived at http://www.gwmicro.com/gwinfo. > > >>You can manage your list subscription at http://www.gwmicro.com/listserv. > > >>If you reply to this message it will be delivered to the original > > >>sender only. If your reply would benefit others on the list and > > >>your message is related to GW Micro, then please consider sending > > >>your message to [email protected] so the entire list will receive it. > > >> > > >>GW-Info messages are archived at http://www.gwmicro.com/gwinfo. > > >>You can manage your list subscription at http://www.gwmicro.com/listserv. > > >> > > >If you reply to this message it will be delivered to the original > > >sender only. If your reply would benefit others on the list and > > >your message is related to GW Micro, then please consider sending > > >your message to [email protected] so the entire list will receive it. > > > > > >GW-Info messages are archived at http://www.gwmicro.com/gwinfo. You > > >can manage your list subscription at http://www.gwmicro.com/listserv. > > > >Thanks much. > > > >Many Blessings, > > > >Pat Ferguson > >"I can Do all Things Through Christ Who Strengthens Me." Phillippians 4:13. > >If you reply to this message it will be delivered to the original > >sender only. If your reply would benefit others on the list and your > >message is related to GW Micro, then please consider sending your > >message to [email protected] so the entire list will receive it. > > > >GW-Info messages are archived at http://www.gwmicro.com/gwinfo. You > >can manage your list subscription at http://www.gwmicro.com/listserv. > >Thanks much. > >Many Blessings, > >Pat Ferguson >"I can Do all Things Through Christ Who Strengthens Me." Phillippians 4:13. Thanks much. Many Blessings, Pat Ferguson "I can Do all Things Through Christ Who Strengthens Me." Phillippians 4:13. If you reply to this message it will be delivered to the original sender only. If your reply would benefit others on the list and your message is related to GW Micro, then please consider sending your message to [email protected] so the entire list will receive it. GW-Info messages are archived at http://www.gwmicro.com/gwinfo. You can manage your list subscription at http://www.gwmicro.com/listserv.
