Butch: if you are braille proficient and can afford to get a braille device - the 'I" devices work well for blind people.
This logic will translate for me into whatever touch devices after my iPhone I purchase in the future. Braille displays double as keyboard as well as providing extra output to compliment synthetic speech. Vaughan. -----Original Message----- From: Butch Bussen [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, 8 January 2014 6:41 p.m. To: Jim Grimsby JR. Cc: 'Pat Ferguson'; [email protected] Subject: RE: Window-eyes on a Microsoft Tablet As Doug will tell you, I kind of tend to stay in a rut and don't like changes, but I have an IPod touch and I just can't get use to the touch screen and jestures. Give me a key board any day. Actually, I'm waiting for a computer that just accepts voice commands like on Star Trek. 73 Butch WA0VJR Node 3148 Wallace, ks. On Tue, 7 Jan 2014, Jim Grimsby JR. wrote: > Well normaly I would agree with you about the del. I used to build > computers and work on them. del computers were a major pain in the > a**, to work on and repair. That being said this was in the past. > This del is amazing. I didn't buy jaws to figure out what it would do > on a touch device. That is what the demo was for. Right now NVDA > works on a touch screen as well as narrator. I was shocked to find > that narrator really does shine on a touch device Microsoft deserves points > for this one. NVDA works very well also on > a touch device. The reason I tried all three was to get a scence of what > each one was doing right here and what each one was doing wrong. I > felt that a fair evaluation of the three was in order to attempt to > come up with good concepts to prevent to my favorite screen reading company > gw micro of > course. I wouldn't say leave android and apple behind. I don't think we > as blind people can afford to be tribal we have to know and understand > what is out there and how it works for us. In some cases to come up > with ideas for the product we do choose to work better in other cases > we have to know to make life changing choices. For example I had to > get a smart phone back in 2012 well windows phone wasn't an option and > android was on ice cream sandwidge and the system they were using at > that time would have never worked for me. I don't really like apple > all that much to tell the truth mainly because I don't like apple > hardware never have, but apple was the best choice for me at that > time. I never liked del, but after looking at all the options out > there this del tablit once again was the best choice for me at the > time I maid the choice. It also helped that the nice people at the > Microsoft store let me go in and play with it put NVDA and a dimo of > window-eyes and jaws on it and let me play with it. they also knew > quite a lot about screen readers braille displays and the like. Then > I walked over to the apple store and the people there showed me the > new Ipad. They had no idea about anything related to accessability the > triple click home feature was not set up if I had not a sighted person with > me I would not have been > able to demo the thing. I also looked at the surface pro but it was out of > my price range and I wanted something about the size of the nexus 7 > witch as you know I have. If you have one around you go in to the > Microsoft store with window-eyes NVDA and yes jaws and see if they > will let you play with the tablits there and decide for your self > what is best for you. Don't disregard the del just because it is a > del. Try them all. the Microsoft rep at the Microsoft store had nothing but > good stuff to say about the del. > I don't believe it was just because he was paid to do so. The reason > I say this is he had nothing but bad things to say about windows phone > and thought the surface rt needed to go away. And as you know both > windows phone and surface rt are Microsoft products. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Pat Ferguson [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2014 1:03 PM > To: Jim Grimsby JR. > Cc: [email protected] > Subject: RE: Window-eyes on a Microsoft Tablet > > Hi Jim, > > Yes, I did read your long message on this subject. > > I don't have JAWS and I will not buy JAWS just to run a touch screen. > I'll wait for the loving Window-Eyes to support it, > > What other screen reader supports a touch screen? <grin> lol. > > I love the idea of a 64GB tablet. > > I want one with an SD card slot. > > Okay, I'm going to save my money and get a Windows Tablet. I really > don't want a Dell, though. > > Forget Apple and Android. lol. > > > Thanks much. > > Many Blessings, > > Pat Ferguson > "I can Do all Things Through Christ Who Strengthens Me." Phillippians 4:13.. > > At 02:45 PM 1/7/2014, you wrote: >> Hi, pat I am on the android list smile. >> My mom bought me the tablit for Christmas from amazon. She spent >> 313 bucks on the 64 gb model. No I didn't ask her how much she spent >> she gave me a rough idea so I would be able to tell my clients who >> might be interested in this device. Here is the link on this device from del. >> http://www.dell.com/us/p/dell-venue-8-pro/pd >> this will do everytning you could want. It is a wonderful device. >> Going to pair a keyboard with it later and put window-eyes on it. I >> have not done that yet because I wanted to get a feel for how the >> touch screen worked in windows with the screen readers that supported >> touch. I wrote a long message about this subject explaining how I >> think window-eyes could do it better and be different. Some times >> being behind is better because if gives you a chance to look at what >> the other guys are doing and figure out a way to do it better. This >> is where google and talk back missed the boat. They didn't look at >> what voice over was doing and try to be better they went a completely >> different root altogether. On the other hand the support you get on >> the > touch screen with jaws feels too much like voice over and its >> jestures and are easy to perform if rather complex. See my message on > this >> subject. >> Hth >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Pat Ferguson [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2014 12:03 PM >> To: Jim Grimsby JR. >> Cc: [email protected] >> Subject: RE: Window-eyes on a Microsoft Tablet >> >> Hi Jim, >> >> Was the Windows Tablet expensive? I want one that I can run Window-Eyes on. >> >> I want a Windows tablet with a Bluetooth keyboard that would fold up >> and a case for the tablet. >> >> I thought you were on the Android list. lol. >> >> >> Thanks much. >> >> Many Blessings, >> >> Pat Ferguson >> "I can Do all Things Through Christ Who Strengthens Me." Phillippians 4:13. >> >> At 03:43 AM 1/7/2014, you wrote: >>> Hay man I am so there. The cool thing is these bad boy have a usb >>> port on them. got my self a otg cable and now you just connect a >>> usb hub kick back and pound away on that old bad boy keyboard. The >>> speaker on this bad boy tablit are like way loud. So you will be >>> able to > here it. >>> now when you got to go some where you can leave the stuff at home >>> hook up the new blue tooth keyboard that folds up and fits in your >>> back pocket or get a case for the tablit and get going where ever. >>> You got the touch screen and keyboard. It works good. Now gw micro >>> here us again we want and we need touch. Look at what the other >>> guys are doing and for god sake do it even beter. >>> Not saying the others are bad but I know gw micro can do better. I >>> will post some of my ideas on this subject later on. >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: David Plumlee [mailto:[email protected]] >>> Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 9:21 PM >>> To: Chris H >>> Cc: gwmicro >>> Subject: Re: Window-eyes on a Microsoft Tablet >>> >>> I must admit at the outset a bias on my part: I am a confirmed knob >>> freak at age 69. I have also operated the Apple IPhone with all of >>> its gestures and touch operations; and for my part, nothing beats a >>> good solid mechanical keyboard with real buttons that you can press >>> to reliably get what you want! >>> Perhaps touch screens will become more reliable as they improve; but >>> I don't think I'd want to use a tablet computer as long as I could >>> have something with real buttons to operate. Granted, the modern PC >>> has no knobs; but the buttons generally carry the same reliability >>> that you can get from knobs that you turn. >>> >>> But for those who want touch, gestures, and all that, I sincerely >>> hope that Window-Eyes can someday soon run on such equipment. For >>> my part, though, give me knobs and buttons! >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Chris H" <[email protected]> >>> To: "Kevin Huber" <[email protected]>; "gw-info" >>> <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 2:49 PM >>> Subject: Re: Window-eyes on a Microsoft Tablet >>> >>> >>>> Hi >>>> probably not, Window-Eyes does not work with touch currently. >>>> >>>> Regards Chris >>>> >>>> On 06/01/2014 19:58, Kevin Huber wrote: >>>>> Hi: >>>>> Can anyone tell me if Window-eyes 8 works on one of those >>>>> Microsoft Windows 8 tablets? If so, which tablets does >>>>> Window-eyes work with and which ones does it not work with? >>>>> Kevin Huber >>>>> If you reply to this message it will be delivered to the original >>>>> sender only. If your reply would benefit others on the list and >>>>> your message is related to GW Micro, then please consider sending >>>>> your message to [email protected] so the entire list will >>>>> receive > it. >>>>> >>>>> GW-Info messages are archived at http://www.gwmicro.com/gwinfo. >>>>> You can manage your list subscription at > http://www.gwmicro.com/listserv. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> If you reply to this message it will be delivered to the original >>>> sender only. If your reply would benefit others on the list and >>>> your message is related to GW Micro, then please consider sending >>>> your message to [email protected] so the entire list will receive > it. >>>> >>>> GW-Info messages are archived at http://www.gwmicro.com/gwinfo. >>>> You can manage your list subscription at > http://www.gwmicro.com/listserv. >>>> >>> If you reply to this message it will be delivered to the original >>> sender only. If your reply would benefit others on the list and your >>> message is related to GW Micro, then please consider sending your >>> message to [email protected] so the entire list will receive it. >>> >>> GW-Info messages are archived at http://www.gwmicro.com/gwinfo. You >>> can manage your list subscription at http://www.gwmicro.com/listserv. >>> If you reply to this message it will be delivered to the original >>> sender only. 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