That's where you might want an external hard drive. I bought one a couple
years ago.
Pinky, are you pondering what I'm pondering?
-----Original Message-----
From: Sunshine
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2014 10:43 AM
To: Jim Grimsby JR.
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: using windows xp
i for one would not want to have the people be able to hack into the cloud
and then what happens?
Most people would not want things backed up on the cloud.
what if you do not have access to your cloud storage and you have things
that really are important to your living situation and the like?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Grimsby JR." <[email protected]>
To: "'Sunshine'" <[email protected]>
Cc: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2014 11:22 AM
Subject: RE: using windows xp
This is configurable.
If you don't want it to do that it doesn't have to.
Of course why you would not want a cloud backup of your files is beyond me.
-----Original Message-----
From: Sunshine [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2014 8:31 AM
To: Jim Grimsby JR.; 'David'
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: using windows xp
another problem with windows 8.1 is that everything you want to save goes
to the cloud and not straight on your hard drive.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Grimsby JR." <[email protected]>
To: "'David'" <[email protected]>
Cc: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2014 10:11 AM
Subject: RE: using windows xp
First yes it is your own choice. It should be an informed choice though.
This is why I asked the question why on earth would you want to do this? it
was to try to find out why a person wouldn't want to update to the latest
operating system so we could debunk the mith that it is a bad idea. First
you speak of the interface. There are a number of start screen alternatives
that run on windows 8 that will give you the interface that you might want.
Secons windows 8 is faster and more stable. 3rd if you have programs and
most of us do that use the speech API windows 8 provides a better speech
sinthasizer built in. now lets talk about file management if you have files
you want to copy you can start copying files and then switch back to
explorer find something else to do and add it to the list and it will do it
all at once. Even if you don't want a new interface get a start screen you
like and use the advantages of windows 8. It doesn't have to be a learning
curve.
Also with window eyes learning the new start screen isn't even something
you have to bother with. Just open the start screen press control tab to
see all your apps and press insert tab to get a tree of all the apps that
are there. Use search on the start screen. Lets say you want to run
Microsoft word. So you type word. Arrow down the first option will be word
pad the second option will be word. Press enter. Your done. finely the
point I maid earlier still stands. Older operating systems as time goes buy
get less and less support. It would be more productive to the user to help
him set up windows 8 to his liking verces recommending old software.
-----Original Message-----
From: David [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2014 7:42 AM
To: Jim Grimsby JR.; 'MJ Williams'
Cc: WE English mailing list
Subject: Re: using windows xp
Jim,
May we please keep this in a low tone. Smile.
First of all, whether a user wants to upgrade to Win7 or Win8, may have to
be a decision of his. And, even if you personally like the new Windows and
its interface, the fact that Microsoft had to release version 8.1, mainly
due to the market not accepting the new interface of Windows8 and requiring
that certain features were partially re-initiated, should tell its own
story. Well-equipped sighted users are complaining about Windows8, and many
places you will find suggestions to stick with Windows7. Even as late as two
days ago, the local dealer of Window-eyes, went out and told customers here,
only to upgrade to Windows8, if you are ready to shoulder the task of all
the challenges. OK, I have read some of your other postings, and it seems
you are one of the gang, who loves new things and new challenges. Yet, for
many a user, going from XP to Win7, will pose more than enough for a
challenge - let alone to lern a totally different layout and interface. In
one way, if people first want to go Windows8, why don't they make the full
plunge, and turn apple? Or, Android? Or, Linux? My point is just this, don't
belittling anyone, just because they decide to stop at Windows7 level.
I have already been struggling enough with Windows8, that I have absolutely
all understanding for anyone who keeps their hands off. There still remain a
bit of work on both the Operativ System, and the screen reader. Not to even
mention the many apps that may be more or less useless for a blind user.
Unless you are well aware of which apps you install on the Windows8 machine,
you could soon enough end up in a mess. And, that is not just my words, but
the experience from a number of users. As such, if a person now happens to
not want the many challenges, Windows7 will still be enough modern, that he
well enough can be running for quite a while yet.
In our next token, maybe I got your posting a bit wrong. But to me, it seems
you are talking from the perspective of a person, sitting in a country of
wealth, and with a fair enough amount of money. Promise you, there is many
countries - even in the industrialized part of the world - who are facing
that heavy ecconomic challenges, that upgrading a million computers, simply
is not a realistic thing. I am aware, that every time Microsoft - or, any
other manufacturers of software - has pulled the plug, this kind of
discussion has come up, and run hot for several weeks. The net is full of
arguings to the better and the worse of this upcoming pull. The only thing
that is to be remarked right here, is that this time it is taking place in a
moment when many countries are in the ecconomic backyard. Parts of the world
- like Southern-Europe - which makes up a fair enough amount of computer
users. I am not going to tell what will happen, as I am just as much a human
as everyone else. But I still wonder if XP will be in daily use on more
computers than you want to imagine, even way after April 14, this year. The
manufactures of hardware, will have to deliver what the market can afford.
And so far, I haven't seen much for hardware that cannot handle XP.
May I even point out to you, that quite a number of hardware products today,
can handle not only anything from Windows98 and up - but also is being
produced to work multi-platform, meaning they work just as well under Linux
and different versions of Mac.
To tell that Windows XP is old, is well enough. But it still is not
obsolete. True, it will not receive further support and development from
Microsoft, but I do wonder if we will see it running on quite a number of
computers even for yet a good amount of time. True again, many software and
hardware manufacturers may stop telling their customers their products can
be run under XP. But just because you don't test your product on an XP
machine, and just because you stop guarantee the stuff to run under XP -
does that really mean that it will not work?
Again, noone of us knows what will be the situation in a few months. And
namely therefore, we should be careful in telling people "what is the right
thing to do". It would be encouraged that people upgrade, but whether they
want the huge challenge of going to Windows8.1, or they simply want the fair
step into Windows7, I really think should be a decision of everyone in
person - that the rest of us should respectfully accept. Or, would you tell
any existing Win7 user, that they are old-fashioned and ready for the
old-folk's home? Surely, you would not. Microsoft is still supporting Win7,
and I haven't seen any notification as to when that OS is going to be
stopped supported - unless you have any such information.
GW just released version 8.4 of the screen reader - still supporting XP. So,
for those who still run XP, they can at least use a version of the screen
reader, that may as well stay quite up-to-date for yet a long time. OK then,
maybe GW will release 8.5 on April 15, and that version may no longer
support XP. Does that mean that it is impossible to run under XP, or, does
it mean that GW no longer will be testing and guaranteeing it under XP? Only
GW would be able to tell, and from earlier experience, I guess they ain't
going to - until the next release is a reality. But even GW will have to
face the fact of the ecconomic situation of a number of their customers. As
a matter of fact, even more countries are turning low now, and we see that
some places where the authorities have been willingly paying for upgrades
for the blind people's computer and screen reader, now adays tighten the
bands.
No, I am not trying to paint a black wall of the whole thing. I just want to
point out, that things are no longer what they used to be. Everyone was told
that Win7 was the only right way to go, and you would soon enough be out of
business if you did not go down that lane. Approximately the same time Win7
was introduced, the first wind of Ecconomic crisis hit. Judging from the
number of people still running Xp way up to only a few weeks before the plug
is pulled, I'd say Win7 did not prove to be the only right way to go. If it
had, why then Win8? Or, why at all, Win8.1? Enjoy your top-modern daily
living, but please respect people who still cannot afford, or don't want to
go all that same modern. Personally, I find it was well worth not to run for
the newest. It sure has saved me a bunch of money, and even more frustration
of complications in running the modern stuff with a screen reader that only
partially supports it. And, sorry, even the Windows 8.1 with Window-Eyes
8.3, has lacks and glitches. The WE8.4 was only released two days ago
locally, so I haven't had chance to test if the glitches have been
tightened. Unless such is the case, I would much agree with the local
Window-Eyes dealer over here, that people should still stick with nothing
higher than Win7 for a bit longer. GW are working hard, and they will likely
get better support as time moves on. But up till now, I have had way too
many cases of not being fully supported in Windows8, that I have kept my old
systems running for daily usage.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Grimsby JR." <[email protected]>
To: "'MJ Williams'" <[email protected]>
Cc: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2014 3:40 PM
Subject: RE: using windows xp
Why on earth would you even bother? People xp is just old. Forget
the bad advice also about updating from windows xp to windows 7.
Windows 7 is also old. Update to windows 8 avoid the fragmentation
use the wonderful support that window-eyes provides for this wonderful
operating system.
Even if you did save all your updates that is not going to save you
from breaches. It is also not going to save you from the fact that
more and more software is just not going to support xp. Don't bother.
Get in to the real world and update your operating system to windows
8.1.
-----Original Message-----
From: MJ Williams [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2014 6:14 AM
To: GW Micro Product Discussion Listserv
Subject: Re: using windows xp
On The subject of XP updates, I remember a posting on this list
detailing how to preserve all updates and to save them on a CD. If
anyone knows what I'm refering to and has access to the information in
said message I would be grateful for a copy.
Please feel free to contact me privately with your reply if the
subject is offtopic for this list.
Sincerely, Matthew
At 12:25 11/01/2014, you wrote:
for those using xp until such time as gw says support will end on this
date I would not worry. your computer will wtill work. Yes true you
won't get updates. However if it's not broke don't fix it. if your
going to upgrade use windows 7 in my opinion.
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