Quoting otsisto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

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http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Paintings/milano_ExpulsionJoachim150.jpg

(Susan) these women are spectators, so I don't know how much the Special
Garb
rule applies here, but .....
The Italian GFD frequently has this sort of "inverted scoop" neckline --
I'm not exactly sure what you'd call it!

De - Is that trim on the hem of the dress or an underdress with a short
overdress. Left shoulder, is that a cloak which the woman has pulled around
to the right and is using it to cradle the lamb? I think that the bust may
be a factor in the arching.

I have *no* clue.  IIRC, there are a couple of "short overdresses" on
some of the painted birthing trays.  They definately have some sort of
"scarf" over their arms and under the lambs -- but that striped fabric
on the back of her sleeve just doesn't fit.  If it was a cloak, seems
like it should not follow her neckline like it does.  The right
shoulders of all the women are dark like maybe there is a cloak over
that shoulder.  Whatever the striped fabric is, it seen on the
underdress, the "scarf" under the lambs, and on the back of her left
arm.  I sure would like to see what other frescoes there are at "the
Runuccini Chapel in the Sacristy" somewhere in Florence!

One of the other ladies in the birth painting (URL below) also has on a
shorter overdress with a striped underdress.


(Susan)-- and think of those two with the funny panel down the front
http://www.wga.hu/art/g/giottino/pieta.jpg
http://www.wga.hu/art/g/giovanni/milano/birth.jpg   both of whom have that

De- I can not tell real well but this looks like this dress has a red front
panel with striped material for the rest of the dress.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v420/hitomi_gehrig/14th%20Century/Roncolo6
.gif


Isn't that one just wild!  It almost looks like it could be a 10-gore
gown with each gore a different color! -- and the *only* reason that I
make that outlandish statement, is that the stripes appear wider around
her hips than they do her neckline.

Yep, Italian wierdness.  It's not as d as some of the Flemish stuff that
you run across though!

Susan
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Susan Farmer
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University of Tennessee
Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology
http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/


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